M-tronic/Autotune bologna??

[greg409]

Do they have an OBDII port? (wait, that's the new models)

I've got a reader/scanner!!


luck,greg

 

[Andyshine77]

The one I had only did that when it first came out of the box. Once it had a couple tanks of fuel through it, that was gone. Power wise, it would absolutely anihilate a MS440. Power was right on par with the 576AT. I despise their constuction, but they are the strongest stock 70cc saw I've ever run.

I must agree they are stronger than the saw they replaced.

Look I grew up when electronics were in their infancy. Ended up working for an electrical engineer out of HS putting circuit boards together, as such I have little fear of electronics. Electronics are better!! that is a fact!! but that doesn't mean everyone has to like them.

 

[wigglesworth]

They don't make 044s anymore.

I got one. Actually two. Probably enough parts to build a couple more.

I will always have one.

 

[blsnelling]

I must agree they are stronger than the saw they replaced.

Look I grew up when electronics were in their infancy. Ended up working for an electrical engineer out of HS putting circuit boards together, as such I have little fear of electronics. Electronics are better!! that is a fact!! but that doesn't mean everyone has to like them.

Right there in bold is the key. For my purposes, I don't want AT either. But, again, to say it doesn't work, is simply wrong.

 

[Andyshine77]

I personally have run both the 441 Mtronic and the 576 Autotune and I wouldn't trade my 372 for one of each and $500.00 to boot!!!


Mike

No ####! lololololol.:msp_biggrin::msp_biggrin:

 

[blsnelling]

I got one. Actually two. Probably enough parts to build a couple more.

I will always have one.

I'm whicha

 

[deye223]

well i was about to get a stihl 441c-m but found out that in aus the dealers dont have any softwear to fix a problem should it arise , they would have to pack it up and ship it back to stihl aus to fix it so no saw for 2 to 4 weeks or more so that equals NO AT FOR ME.

makes you wonder why a big company like stihl lets the horse out and then shuts the gate ?? :confuse:

 

[wigglesworth]

Jeremy, guys like you and me, have to remember that these saws aren't designed for us. Like you, I still want a carb that I can control myself. However, 99.99% of the user out there will benefit from these new technologies. When a user doesn't have to worry about his saw running lean, that user is the winner.

Why aren't they for us Brad? Looking purely from a performance standpoint...

I must agree they are stronger than the saw they replaced.

Look I grew up when electronics were in their infancy. Ended up working for an electrical engineer out of HS putting circuit boards together, as such I have little fear of electronics. Electronics are better!! that is a fact!! but that doesn't mean everyone has to like them.

I work with em everyday my friend. PLC's, HMI's, Freq drives, u name it, I gotta fix em. I wish I had a nickel for every "unexplained" electronics failure I've seen in short 12 years as an electrician....

 

[Andyshine77]

well i was about to get a stihl 441c-m but found out that in aus the dealers dont have any softwear to fix a problem should it arise , they would have to pack it up and ship it back to stihl aus to fix it so no saw for 2 to 4 weeks or more so that equals NO AT FOR ME.

makes you wonder why a big company like stihl lets the horse out and then shuts the gate ?? :confuse:

Dude you can't even buy simple parts for any of the 441's everything is on back order.

 

[deye223]

Dude you can't even buy simple parts for any of the 441's everything is on back order.

that's reason enough to leave it alone

 

[blsnelling]

Why aren't they for us Brad? Looking purely from a performance standpoint.

Because we aren't satisfied with the performance of a stock saw. When it comes to cookie cutting, a leaner tune is usually used than what you would put on a saw if it was going to the landing. I can't tell AT to run leaner. They're not designing saws for modification and cookie cutting, they're designing work saws.

 

[blsnelling]

Dude you can't even buy simple parts for any of the 441's everything is on back order.

Maybe they'll replace it with a saw that's more mechanic friendly. Come on 461

 

[blsnelling]

BTW Jer, nice Friday night thread to get the juices flowing

 

[rms61moparman]

Why aren't they for us Brad? Looking purely from a performance standpoint...



I work with em everyday my friend. PLC's, HMI's, Freq drives, u name it, I gotta fix em. I wish I had a nickel for every "unexplained" electronics failure I've seen in short 12 years as an electrician....

And it takes 1/2 an hour to diagnose what should take 2 minutes!!!


Mike

 

[Andyshine77]

Why aren't they for us Brad? Looking purely from a performance standpoint...



I work with em everyday my friend. PLC's, HMI's, Freq drives, u name it, I gotta fix em. I wish I had a nickel for every "unexplained" electronics failure I've seen in short 12 years as an electrician....

I hear you. We would often fix problems like this. What happens is most companies don't have in house electrical engineers, (too much $$ for full time employment) so they sub the work out, and to say the least it never works out too well. Often times the electrical engineers on the other end have a bad understanding of the environments, mechanics and forces involved. BTW I don't like riding on old Dover elevators for a reason, maybe that's why they no longer exist.:msp_biggrin:

Sorry but unexplained simply means not understood, every failure has a cause.

 

[ft. churchill]

Just remember guys, I bought a new tricked out holley double pumper main carb body. You know the one with radiused inlets, no choke tower, removable (tuneable) air bleed jets for 125 dollars. The aftermarket efi systems start at about 1800 ducats and up to $2500. Heck I only paid that much to build the whole motor and I bought new heads from chevy as well as all new outside tin. Simple carbs rarely fail in the backcountry, efi does.

 

[mweba]

You guys are all wet, laptops are far less expensive than screw drivers pfft

 

[wigglesworth]

Because we aren't satisfied with the performance of a stock saw. When it comes to cookie cutting, a leaner tune is usually used than what you would put on a saw if it was going to the landing. I can't tell AT to run leaner. They're not designing saws for modification and cookie cutting, they're designing work saws.

Not just leaner, but richer as well. You are at the complete disposal of a small circuit board, that was programmed by some "engineer" who had "your best interest" in mind.

 

[Rudolf73]

well i was about to get a stihl 441c-m but found out that in aus the dealers dont have any softwear to fix a problem should it arise , they would have to pack it up and ship it back to stihl aus to fix it so no saw for 2 to 4 weeks or more so that equals NO AT FOR ME.

makes you wonder why a big company like stihl lets the horse out and then shuts the gate ?? :confuse:

I have stayed away from AT saws for the same reason. My Stihl/husky dealers are all about the $$'s and for that reason I fix my own saws. 2-strokes are pretty simple after all, why would I pay a dealer to do it. Reading through the new AT saw repair manuals also scared me a bit... they simply suggest you replace the electronic units when there's a problem. Knowing my luck those parts won't be cheap and on special order.


Oh and I have been wondering, how would an AT saw respond to a slow leak...? I'm guessing it won't be an easy diagnosis.

 

[ckelp]

i'm just waiting for full EFI to come out and nerds like me writing custom fuel maps for them :jester: