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TreeGuyHR

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same grouping of trees 3 hours later , by hand no magic stick just me and a saw LOL ! And all three were completely uprooted and loose and weight bearing the roof ,

Maybe I should rethink the story I retold as true here, as told to me by a big stick logger I know (retired from that) who said he won a guy's wages side-hilling a 6 ft. leaner hemlock on a mountain side without an ax, by pounding in stacked wedges (using a wedge to pound 'em in).

Just sayin':msp_tongue:
 
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Am I the only one that is terrified of riding in a basket? I'm sorry, I just HATE the idea of depending on another human to move my body around, into, and out of dicey sits. I've done it before, and I never want to do it again. I'd rather rely on my climbline and the tree to put me where I choose to be. #### tha CO and the posturing bull#### of osha/ansi...That's me up there. Imma do the job as I see fit.

I respect your opinion. If you looked at the vid or pics, you could see that the tree had been topped multiple times, was hollow and open at t he base with a thin shell, and weighted towards the home. One leader had obvious decay along its length, and after the big pieces were on the ground, it turned out that another was rotten almost all the way through at one spot. I assumed that the topped leaders had extensive decay right where you would tie in a pulley to rig down the limbs -- some of which were 18 in. ,diameter and 40 ft. long. Plus, between the thorns, separation of the leaders, and thatched limbs, it looked liked climbing would have taken days. So i went with the man basket.

Turned out that my climber didn't like using it much, but it did save time, and we needed the crane anyway to lower the big wood. Every big tree removal is a bit different, as you know, so your dismissal of a crane basket seems to me a bit hasty in THIS CASE. May be right in others.

BTW again, I worked on a 270 ft. tower crane as the "arbornaut" in the basket for 2 1/2 years at a research site -- often out of sight with the operator in the cab. I had to know the sound of each of three motors and tell the operator the distance (in three directions) while moving about. Perfect safety record -- except I dropped my radio twice due to a crappy snap on the lanyard. Got a lot of #### for that:msp_biggrin:
 
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I respect your opinion. If you looked at the vid or pics, you could see that the tree had been topped multiple times, was hollow and open at t he base with a thin shell, and weighted towards the home. One leader had obvious decay along its length, and after the big pieces were on the ground, it turned out that another was rotten almost all the way through at one spot. I assumed that the topped leaders had extensive decay right where you would tie in a pulley to rig down the limbs -- some of which were 18 in. ,diameter and 40 ft. long. Plus, between the thorns, separation of the leaders, and thatched limbs, it looked liked climbing would have taken days. So i went with the man basket.

Turned out that my climber didn't like using it much, but it did save time, and we needed the crane anyway to lower the big wood. Every big tree removal is a bit different, as you know, so your dismissal of a crane basket seems to me a bit hasty in THIS CASE. May be right in others.

BTW again, I worked on a 270 ft. tower crane as the "arbornaut" in the basket for 2 1/2 years at a research site -- often out of sight with the operator in the cab. I had to know the sound of each of three motors and tell the operator the distance (in three directions) while moving about. Perfect safety record -- except I dropped my radio twice due to a crappy snap on the lanyard. Got a lot of #### for that:msp_biggrin:

I did look at the video and pics. A man basket is not a good option for tree work.
 
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Maybe I should rethink the story I retold as true here, as told to me by a big stick logger I know (retired from that) who said he won a guy's wages side-hilling a 6 ft. leaner hemlock on a mountain side without an ax, by pounding in stacked wedges (using a wedge to pound 'em in).

Just sayin':msp_tongue:

Pics don't lie granted I am a badass mofo , doubtful many guys woulda had it out like that , cause yea I am that good
 
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Pics don't lie granted I am a badass mofo , doubtful many guys woulda had it out like that , cause yea I am that good

Well, he would be pissed that I posted a few pics of him without permission, but this guy IS a badassmofo. (in his prime, anyway). Therefore, his story COULD be true.

Topping a big fir snag:

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Cutting a big cedar on a fire:

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getting ready to drop a big fir on another fire:
 
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really small pictures, bermie... first of all the thought of climbing of a friction saver that is hanging on the side of a crane ball really makes me want to give treemandan a good swift toe kick to his testicles... i don't want to do that mind you but the mere thought of someone being that "daft" (nice for dumb) as to hang a fabric off perfectly good steel that can also be pinched by a cabled up ball or smashed up against while moving in and about the tree just drives me f'n crazy. the safety factor of that locked up super rated shackle has just been undone by use of the the f/s.

argue all you want but put it to a pull test.... what breaks first? the shackle or the f/s.....

you want to be real safe bermie? put a big ol' master link on top of the ball and hang that shackle off the link. bang. double super rated steel and no STUPID F'N f/s.......

thanks....


pic 2.

i bet that piece wobbled like a mofo when he pulled it off sideways (a no no, mind you) and probably came close to you because of the return swing....

anyway, sling that pig higher and put it in line with the boom. start you cut (bar tip under your sling shackle) and finish on the other side pushing the power head directly to the boom. done right the piece shouldn't move if tensioned correctly. this is a 1 cut cut due to the fact you working a spar.


i'll never under stand the practice of stripping a pine tree and then picking wood. makes no sense to me...


any pics of your 2 crane palm tree? i'd love to see that party.


edit: what exactly is that shackle attached to any way? can't see what its on but if i liked it i'd just run my climb line through that...
 
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I respect your opinion. If you looked at the vid or pics, you could see that the tree had been topped multiple times, was hollow and open at t he base with a thin shell, and weighted towards the home. One leader had obvious decay along its length, and after the big pieces were on the ground, it turned out that another was rotten almost all the way through at one spot. I assumed that the topped leaders had extensive decay right where you would tie in a pulley to rig down the limbs -- some of which were 18 in. ,diameter and 40 ft. long. Plus, between the thorns, separation of the leaders, and thatched limbs, it looked liked climbing would have taken days. So i went with the man basket.

Turned out that my climber didn't like using it much, but it did save time, and we needed the crane anyway to lower the big wood. Every big tree removal is a bit different, as you know, so your dismissal of a crane basket seems to me a bit hasty in THIS CASE. May be right in others.

BTW again, I worked on a 270 ft. tower crane as the "arbornaut" in the basket for 2 1/2 years at a research site -- often out of sight with the operator in the cab. I had to know the sound of each of three motors and tell the operator the distance (in three directions) while moving about. Perfect safety record -- except I dropped my radio twice due to a crappy snap on the lanyard. Got a lot of #### for that:msp_biggrin:



i did not watch this video but i do know for a fact that a hanging man basket has no place in tree work. oh, wait.... that tree was a hazardous tree and you wouldn't tie into it or rig off it? i maaaaay know how to remedy that situation...

listen not trying to ruin your day but even though the video was probably made with the bestest of them there intentions..... it was still wrong.


stay safe.
 
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really small pictures, bermie... first of all the thought of climbing of a friction saver that is hanging on the side of a crane ball really makes me want to give treemandan a good swift toe kick to his testicles... i don't want to do that mind you but the mere thought of someone being that "daft" (nice for dumb) as to hang a fabric off perfectly good steel that can also be pinched by a cabled up ball or smashed up against while moving in and about the tree just drives me f'n crazy. the safety factor of that locked up super rated shackle has just been undone by use of the the f/s.

argue all you want but put it to a pull test.... what breaks first? the shackle or the f/s.....

you want to be real safe bermie? put a big ol' master link on top of the ball and hang that shackle off the link. bang. double super rated steel and no STUPID F'N f/s.......

thanks....


pic 2.

i bet that piece wobbled like a mofo when he pulled it off sideways (a no no, mind you) and probably came close to you because of the return swing....

anyway, sling that pig higher and put it in line with the boom. start you cut (bar tip under your sling shackle) and finish on the other side pushing the power head directly to the boom. done right the piece shouldn't move if tensioned correctly. this is a 1 cut cut due to the fact you working a spar.


i'll never under stand the practice of stripping a pine tree and then picking wood. makes no sense to me...


any pics of your 2 crane palm tree? i'd love to see that party.


edit: what exactly is that shackle attached to any way? can't see what its on but if i liked it i'd just run my climb line through that...


Well the thing was specifically made for attachment in that manner. The thing that makes you want to toe kick me in the testicles that is. Unlike steel its easy to see damage or wear on rope and webbing. But truthfully I noted how low it rests and I am concerned.
 
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We do it ANSI,,, you must be used to some crappy CO's.
Jeff

Using the lanyard does put a guys face a little close to that hunk of steel though I am sure there is a way to double tie into a crane... if yer a puss:tongue2: But that's fine you cantakerous old stickler, keep em as safe as you can.:rock:

As far as my crane hook up goes: It does locate the running climb line away from the ball so its not rubbing up against it, that is its design. It is pretty tough though I don't really like the skinny ring.
 
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I like it I guess, was about ready for change at the time, be 2 years in June. The climbing, whether pruning or wrecking is very physical, so I stay in shape and eat the right stuff. We dont do lots of crane work for the reason I said earlier, but its nice when it happens. Quite the macho environment at times, lots of ex-loggers, fallers and toppers in the game....and if youre not blowing out big tops around here, you're not doin tree work. I work with lots of them, big guys. They hear my accent and think WTF! but when Im done, they either come over and shake my hand, or go hide somewhere pretending to be busy....depending on their character.

won't lie, reg. i'd like to work with ya. i've seen enough of your stuff and read enough of your stuff to say that we'd tear **** up together. and i mean that in the most homosexual-less way possible.

i always love working with people of a like mind at the effort we going to put in and the results we going to put out.

treespect!

listen, seriously. when you ready to slow it down and thoroughly enjoy the ride, come out to beantown and we'll crane up a variety of tree instead of them single stem jammies you working on now. you'll be halfway closer to home and actually not be having to hang out with canadians.

don't get me wrong, you'll work hard but you'll be doing it like a gentleman...

stay safe.
 
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Using the lanyard does put a guys face a little close to that hunk of steel though I am sure there is a way to double tie into a crane... if yer a puss:tongue2: But that's fine you cantakerous old stickler, keep em as safe as you can.:rock:

As far as my crane hook up goes: It does locate the running climb line away from the ball so its not rubbing up against it, that is its design. It is pretty tough though I don't really like the skinny ring.

We have to be tied in twice. We are a TCIA Accredited company. I ain't getting into a pissing match,,we do what we do. My pics are available.
Jeff :dizzy:
 
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i did not watch this video but i do know for a fact that a hanging man basket has no place in tree work. oh, wait.... that tree was a hazardous tree and you wouldn't tie into it or rig off it? i maaaaay know how to remedy that situation...

listen not trying to ruin your day but even though the video was probably made with the bestest of them there intentions..... it was still wrong.


stay safe.

Maybe you are getting at the technique of rigging yourself off the crane (I'm not going to join the argument as to HOW), and rappel off the hook after cutting each piece and before it is laid down? I think I read that described here somewhere. The point was, I did not trust the leaders to bear the weight of rigging down the limbs. Turned out they DID bear the weight just fine -- but I did not know that for sure.

I do tree risk assessments (ISA, ASCA cert, yadda yadda yadda). I first got the call because a 40 ft. limb fell on the patio just after the family left -- and it was rotten at the attachment; I did the risk assessment and report before I gave him a bid on the job. With the obvious decay and topping history, i would have wanted to climb each leader and inspect them up close, probably drill them as well to test for decay. There was no time or budget for that (plus I couldn't CLIMB (see below), so I took a conservative option (notwithstanding you and some others believe that the man basket is MORE dangerous).

It so happened that the job was scheduled just after I had my thumb in a splint (dislocated) and two weeks after a rotator cuff injury -- my job was mainly to manage the crew and be a back -up set of eyes for safety that day. I went off my Vicodin to keep a clear head; the pain kept me focused on avoiding MORE pain. I HAD planned to take a turn rigging and cutting some big wood on the tree, but missed the chance.

If we can never agree on the man basket thing, so be it.

The client was a tightwad, and actually agreed to let us crash what we hadn't finished the first day (the last two leaders) to save money. Go figure -- the sound of a 800 pound chunk of locust hitting a concrete patio from 50 ft. was pretty impressive. We rigged the pieces with a fiddle block to make sure and miss the home and the basketball hoop. Which we did. A second crane was obviously out of the question. My climber brushed the tree and lowered three of the five leaders in 7 1/2 hrs., and that was after I had to talk the owner into paying for another hr of crane time.

It wasn't a take down -- the tree is still there and is expected to go on growing -- just gave it a haircut from 94 f. to 20 -30 ft.:msp_biggrin:

We probably could have crashed the entire tree piece by piece with a climber tied into the tallest spar, using the fiddleblock to pull things over into free-fall -- but it is hard to predict the degree of impact, and after the fact, what do you do when the client claims you caused more damage than you said would happen? There was that antique Craftsman home with lots of windows 20 ft. away, after all. I busted a window once tossing the last 4 in. limb of a take down to the ground; it bounced in the reverse direction and through the double-slider window; these limbs were up to four times thicker and three times longer, up to 90 ft. up, and the windows were all antique.
 

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