Downsides to ported saws?

[weedkilla]

To port or not to port... What a ridiculous question.
Loco

This was never my question. Never will be.

Just find it hard to believe that porting is all sunshine and lollipops. I've said it in just about every post I've made in this thread - everything comes at a cost. I honestly doubt that the cost is reduced life, modified 2 stroke stuff hand grenades early or lasts as long as original. It either catches a ring, spins a bearing, detonates itself to death or it just keeps running for as long or longer than stock. And I dont suggest that any of he tuners on here are building these sorts of hand grenades - these tuners dont ever last long in an industry.

So the cost is noise, fuel usage, financial cost and that's it? That is pretty amazing!

 

[locofrog]

Much truth in what you say. I love ported saws, but saws like the 7900 came from the factory ported.:msp_tongue: IMHO it has more to do with sloppy execution by the manufacturers than the EPA or anything else.

Anytime you raise power you more than likely shorten the lifespan of the engine. Hell you're removing the plating on the port chamfers. Sure you may get more wood on the ground, but lets be honest, who has the hard numbers on that? I honestly haven't seen anything 100% conclusive. IMHO the best thing you can do to a work saw is mod the muffler.otstir:

The Devils advocate I play.:smile2:

Sorry OP but I was more or less addressing this post as far as that goes. I realize it wasn't yours and also sense some sarcasm in it. Someone else's post sarcastically asked to port or not to port. Ported saws seriously have very little downside though and are truly amazing. You should try doing it yourself on a saw. One of the greatest feelings in the world is hearing it crank up and roar. Then the next thing when you shut it off you walk to the shed with one thing in mind... Who's next?

Loco

 

[KenJax Tree]

I agree with andyshine. My saws are only muff modded except the 562 is still stock but they run stronger than stock and they still get wood on the ground. If i used them for fun or racing or cutting cookies i would consider a ported saw but for what i use saws for a muff mod and sharp chain is all i really need.

 

[TK]

Downsides? Same as non-ported saws. They don't look any different on the bottom.

 

[bcaarms]

1911 comparison

Back in the late 70s a couple of gunsmiths started trying different things to improve on the basic 1911. Many of the mods were looked upon as maybe being nice and offering some improvement in performance, but were always scoffed at by the purest as reducing reliability. Flared mag wells, lightweight triggers, fitted slides to frame, and so forth. You can try those things all you want, but if someone had to bet their life on a gun, they would go for the stock 1911 as their choice. Actually many would still go with a revolver as the semi auto was not accepted as reliable enough by many "experts".

Today you have to search a bit to find an original govt. issue style pistol. FBI, SWAT, and several other tier one units choose the full custom 1911 to bet their life on. WIlson Combat, Nighthawk Customs, and a few more shops turn out a reliable, accurate, and rugged pistol that runs circles around the old stock 1911. Like anything with two or more moving parts they require maintenance by a qualified operator or sometimes armorer.

Ported saws are not a fad. There are several qualified machinists that turn out reliable saws that are a 30 to 40% improvement over the stock saw. In America we get the luxury of choosing how we run our saws. If you choose to keep your saws stock, have at it. Just don't try to sell your choice as the path we all should take.

 

[KenJax Tree]

Back in the late 70s a couple of gunsmiths started trying different things to improve on the basic 1911. Many of the mods were looked upon as maybe being nice and offering some improvement in performance, but were always scoffed at by the purest as reducing reliability. Flared mag wells, lightweight triggers, fitted slides to frame, and so forth. You can try those things all you want, but if someone had to bet their life on a gun, they would go for the stock 1911 as their choice. Actually many would still go with a revolver as the semi auto was not accepted as reliable enough by many "experts".

Today you have to search a bit to find an original govt. issue style pistol. FBI, SWAT, and several other tier one units choose the full custom 1911 to bet their life on. WIlson Combat, Nighthawk Customs, and a few more shops turn out a reliable, accurate, and rugged pistol that runs circles around the old stock 1911. Like anything with two or more moving parts they require maintenance by a qualified operator or sometimes armorer.

Ported saws are not a fad. There are several qualified machinists that turn out reliable saws that are a 30 to 40% improvement over the stock saw. In America we get the luxury of choosing how we run our saws. If you choose to keep your saws stock, have at it. Just don't try to sell your choice as the path we all should take.

I think my post was about me and my needs not what i think everyone else should do.

 

[locofrog]

Very nice comparison bro. Saws are a lot like the old trusty 1911. A lot of the posts in this thread are sarcastic tho. The one about porting being a fad was. I seen mastermind or somebody jokingly saying that the other day and that is what that was directed at I think. But your 1911 reference was spot on.

Loco

 

[Locust Cutter]

The saw or the wife?

Yes.

Take a saw, and pay someone to port it. Preferably one of the members here on AS. Then after you can set the saw down for a minute, you write back and tell us why you like it and why you will never be satisfied with a stock saw ever again. Some things are beyond logic and relate more to the experience as a whole. Its like riding a big motorcycle. If I have to explain it to you, you will never understand. Go ahead, jump in with both feet. Get your saw ported. :msp_thumbup:
Warranties are not a reason to live life stuck on the on ramp.

Peace

:agree2:
Life is an experience, not an articulation. Ported saws fall squarely into this observation. Either pony up the money now, or better yet, go to a GTG and try a few dozen. After having run a ported MS880, 084, several 372xps, a 7900, and 029 and a few others I can only say that it is something to be experienced, as no description will ever do them justice.

 

[weedkilla]

Money is being ponied........
Sometimes things just fall in place.

Although, that wasn't ever my issue. Guess that just wont get through to all, but hey, I'm the one who hasn't run a saw worked over by one of the saw gurus on here. And even then, what will 1 saw, by 1 tuner prove?

Its pretty amazing that NO-ONE who has run a ported saw chimed in with any downsides, no cases of robbing Peter to pay Paul. Oh well, as they say - time to find out for myself. Or at least wait a couple of weeks for it to wing its way to me!

 

[Andyshine77]

You should try doing it yourself on a saw. One of the greatest feelings in the world is hearing it crank up and roar. Then the next thing when you shut it off you walk to the shed with one thing in mind... Who's next?



Loco

I'll give one a try sometime.

 

[tree monkey]

nascar engine goes 500 miles turning 8000 rpm
try that with a stock engine

how long a saw lasts ported or not, depends on how it is tacken care of.
cheap oil = short life
cheap fuel = short life
no maintenance= short life

 

[Hedgerow]

nascar engine goes 500 miles turning 8000 rpm
try that with a stock engine

how long a saw lasts ported or not, depends on how it is tacken care of.
cheap oil = short life
cheap fuel = short life
no maintenance= short life

Wassup Scott??!!

 

[Andyshine77]

nascar engine goes 500 miles turning 8000 rpm
try that with a stock engine

how long a saw lasts ported or not, depends on how it is tacken care of.
cheap oil = short life
cheap fuel = short life
no maintenance= short life

Very true, but they don't exactly use off the assembly line internals like most saw porters do. Really you can't compare the two in any way IMHO.

 

[tree monkey]

Very true, but they don't exactly use off the assembly line internals like most saw porters do. Really you can't compare the two in any way IMHO.

you are corect ser
that is why i don't use cheap aftermarket parts.

look at what can be done to a streat car and it still will hold up just fine if it is treated decent.
i agree that over porting a saw for work is not a good idea. but if it is treated right. will last a long time

i have a early non decomp 440 ported with around a 25%gain that has to have over 10,000 hours on it.
runs as good today as it did new . ported new out of the box.

 

[tree monkey]

Wassup Scott??!!

my life is all upside down right now, so i don't know the answer

 

[ozflea]

Now if porting is the holy grail of chainsaws and offers such a great difference then why don't the builders (manufacturers) supply them that way ?

Makes one wonder doesn't it ?

 

[Hinerman]

my life is all upside down right now, so i don't know the answer

Hopefully you can get it right side up soon. Need anything from us?

 

[tree monkey]

Now if porting is the holy grail of chainsaws and offers such a great difference then why don't the builders (manufacturers) supply them that way ?

Makes one wonder doesn't it ?

thay have to, look at all the regs thay have to deal with, epe, safty, noise, are just a few.
then it has to hold up to the guy that puts the chain on backwords with the brake on and trys to cut wood.

 

[Hinerman]

Now if porting is the holy grail of chainsaws and offers such a great difference then why don't the builders (manufacturers) supply them that way ?

Makes one wonder doesn't it ?

Ever heard of the Environmental Protection Agency

 

[tree monkey]

Hopefully you can get it right side up soon. Need anything from us?

i don't like asking for help weather i need it or not.
but thanks for offering
my kid nearly lost a finger in a woodsplitter today, so another step backwords
life has it's ups and downs, were on a bit off a down swing right now