Popup vs Flat Top?

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Iceman

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Why does brushape's crack taste like bleach?.....

I doubt you'll be welcome in September.

OK reckon y'all called it off. Wise reply (unless you wanted to learn something).

210 is not that high when you know how to ride. Sorry Wiggs. lol

If ya got some decent gloves, though sparring lessons are still on the table. Seem like a revolving door for that brutality and scuba lessons at the quarry but application is accepted. Good luck with the long bar run, Fluffy.
 
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The proper way to test flat top vs. popup isn't to have the engine ported to the exact same timing numbers etc. Shoot for the same compression, but port the engine so it makes best power in either configuration. Different engines get ported differently due to the design involved. Do the best porting for each setup at the same compression, see how the power compares. That will tell you which method works best. It's a whole method, not just piston vs. piston.

i'm way late and need to catch up, but but I can get more compression from a cut squish then a popup. it's one reason why it's a better choice
 
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OK reckon y'all called it off. Wise reply (unless you wanted to learn something).

210 is not that high when you know how to ride. Sorry Wiggs. lol

If ya got some decent gloves, though sparring lessons are still on the table. Seem like a revolving door for that brutality and scuba lessons at the quarry but application is accepted. Good luck with the long bar run, Fluffy.
why aren't you banned yet?
 
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I just read the whole thread...let me offer a dentist point of view...

My "competition" in the dental world isn't the myriad of other dentists in town (there are a LOT of them in my town, many with lower prices). My actual competition is every other product on the planet that people deem more important than dental work ...Prada, Mercedes, vacations in the Bahama's.... etc. As consumers we are bombarded with products day in and day out that steals our attention away from what we (should) truly value. After being on this site for a while, I don't think any of the builders here are in "competition" with one another. Rather, the builders are part of a community of sawyers sharing knowledge, for the benefit of all. What MM offers, others might not want, what Brad offers, others do want....and vice versa. Frankly, when everyone plays together on the same team, the whole community wins. Far as I can see, the builders here likely have more work than they know what to do with, which is awesome! I think every member on this site needs to feel fortunate that they are actually part of something larger than themselves, and that giving up a Friday night to port a saw isn't a bad thing...in fact, its likely WAY more productive than what most people are doing anway.

At this point, I think there needs to be some other builder that can play with popups and squish bands all in house, other than MM or Brad...and see what they come up with. I trust that if its proven that popups are easier, and cheap and yield the same results, that more people would be doing them, AND along the same vein, that if flat tops and cut squish bands truly are "the best" way to do it...and it yields the most powerful saw (best product), then it'll become more common as well.

Just my 2cents.... thanks for the space.
 
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The fairest way I think to test this is stupid simple. If the only thing that needs to be tested is flat top vs pop up you only should need 1 piston. Build the saw with a pop up test it, and then simply cut the pop up off making the piston flat. Timing shouldn't change from what I'm being told.
 
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I just read the whole thread...let me offer a dentist point of view...

My "competition" in the dental world isn't the myriad of other dentists in town (there are a LOT of them in my town, many with lower prices). My actual competition is every other product on the planet that people deem more important than dental work ...Prada, Mercedes, vacations in the Bahama's.... etc. As consumers we are bombarded with products day in and day out that steals our attention away from what we (should) truly value. After being on this site for a while, I don't think any of the builders here are in "competition" with one another. Rather, the builders are part of a community of sawyers sharing knowledge, for the benefit of all. What MM offers, others might not want, what Brad offers, others do want....and vice versa. Frankly, when everyone plays together on the same team, the whole community wins. Far as I can see, the builders here likely have more work than they know what to do with, which is awesome! I think every member on this site needs to feel fortunate that they are actually part of something larger than themselves, and that giving up a Friday night to port a saw isn't a bad thing...in fact, its likely WAY more productive than what most people are doing anway.

At this point, I think there needs to be some other builder that can play with popups and squish bands all in house, other than MM or Brad...and see what they come up with. I trust that if its proven that popups are easier, and cheap and yield the same results, that more people would be doing them, AND along the same vein, that if flat tops and cut squish bands truly are "the best" way to do it...and it yields the most powerful saw (best product), then it'll become more common as well.

Just my 2cents.... thanks for the space.



That's eloquent, YO but dentists aren't prime donne
 
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Randy I'm not going to go in circles with you, you know very well what I said in that thread was to simply get it locked. If you took what I said there as reality you need help.

You were probably drunk.

If it was just to "get the thread locked" you would not have edited your post jackass.

I might talk **** to you....or about you......but I'll never talk **** about your family.

Like I said........I have no respect for your kind.
 
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You were probably drunk.

If it was just to "get the thread locked" you would not have edited your post jackass.

I might talk **** to you....or about you......but I'll never talk **** about your family.

Like I said........I have no respect for your kind.

I didn't edit my posts, maybe the big guy did? Haven't had a drink in some time now.

What exactly is my kind?
 
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I seriously think that would make things worse, I personally think they should stick to what was said when chad first started with the dyno. That they were not going to compare one saw builder to another.
That's right, Randy said if that happened, the individual who sent the saw will never have another saw ported by him.
 

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