FarmerTec Holzfforma G660 Purple Monster

[Bedford T]

Dunno what you mean about testing them. I only really test stuff dealers I know in the UK send me to test since I do deal some of their items. For me, it's more about whether it is worth it to give it a try without it grenading so much as to destroy itself and be a total loss. I think you've answered that question. It's not really worth it even at the price, is it? I mean, unless it's a toy. I don't need a toy. I'll look more towards a used 660. Which of course, is also a gamble as well...

Pressure vacuum test. I doubt it would gernade. So build you one and take the surprise out of it. I have about 650$ in my 660 kits. I think these blue ones will last a while, cut good. For a little effort you can make a kit last year's. Here you could not find a used 660 for less than 800$ if you could find one.

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[Bedford T]

I bet if you tried all Stihl parts in the assembly it should work.


The 361 uses a different part. The hy way. And whatever are not any better than the Farmertec with this system. The metal of the gears could be better steel, they are different sizes though. Making the adjuster work the parts need to be same size as Stihl. Excatly to fit the case

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[Rick Stephens]

Pressure vacuum test.

Pretty obvious many people miss the point on kit saws. They are what you make of them. I literally found what I think is the perfect firewood saw in the kit MS361. And I had a blast making it the way I wanted it. I pretty much am certain that I can run the one I put all the extra time into for many many years. I did change out a few parts. I found the clutch lacking. I totally hated the boot, had a hard time getting it to seal, and replaced it immediately with a HyWay one, which for $14 was killer. I plugged the Decomp hole. And I MM first thing, big difference. Installed a 440 carb and a big bore kit with only minor cleanup porting. Only thing I am still working on is the darn filter. It doesn't seal well enough to keep trash out of the cylinder. For now I added a little grease, but I'm looking at options.

Kit saws are perfect for those who LIKE fooling with their saws making them better. If someone is in that frame of mind they will be very pleased.

Personally, couldn't get me to pay $100 for a chinese assembled chinese kit saw. That's me though.

Rick

 

[Rick Stephens]

I bet if you tried all Stihl parts in the assembly it should work.


The 361 uses a different part. The hy way. And whatever are not any better than the Farmertec with this system. The metal of the gears could be better steel, they are different sizes though. Making the adjuster work the parts need to be same size as Stihl. Excatly to fit the case

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I'll let you know. Bet not. But we shall see. I have the parts to test that theory...... somewhere around here.

 

[Bedford T]

I'll let you know. Bet not. But we shall see. I have the parts to test that theory...... somewhere around here.

No guessing
Lol

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[wyk]

Pretty obvious many people miss the point on kit saws...

We're not talking about a kit here. We're talking about a saw. The OP has already stated it appears to be made differently. If it's a hand made, hand fitted saw, it is likely to be very different from a generic kit they sell.
What's important to know to me, and many others interested in this thing, is how their complete saw performs VS one of their kits. How much work will it need to be a decent saws, etc etc. Thus the questions. After all, if the seals and bearings are crap, then why bother buying the saw VS a kit...

 

[Rick Stephens]

We're not talking about a kit here. We're talking about a saw. The OP has already stated it appears to be made differently. If it's a hand made, hand fitted saw, it is likely to be very different from a generic kit they sell.
What's important to know to me, and many others interested in this thing, is how their complete saw performs VS one of their kits. How much work will it need to be a decent saws, etc etc. Thus the questions. After all, if the seals and bearings are crap, then why bother buying the saw VS a kit...

I'll bite.... no way they have trained 'technicians' that can actually fit the components they are making and produce a saw that is quality enough to be pro capable. Their parts meet the 'OK' standard when assembled with some very deliberate care and attention. Pro capable saw requires more than an OK technician and OK, for the most part, parts.

Example, one of the kits I am working on has crankshaft that the diameter on the PTO side where the oil pump gear rides on is a teensy bit oversize. The copper bushing in oil pump gears (3 different brands) is super tight and hangs on it enough to turn the chain some at idle. And if you idle long, melts the gear. Big deal for a kit saw? No. PITA? Yeah. **If that gets through QA on an assembled saw it be a major pain in the a. **

My apologies for letting my mind wander into kits when your purpose is talking about the assembled brethren. The parts I have seen might be better and more consistent in the assembled saws - someone is gonna have to disassemble a couple of them to determine that.. And I would find it hard to believe the techs would be well enough trained to execute a high percentage reliable saw, especially having seen the parts in the kits over a period of time. Good luck getting warranty support from halfway round the world.

 

[Bedford T]

I am the op what did I say?

We're not talking about a kit here. We're talking about a saw. The OP has already stated it appears to be made differently. If it's a hand made, hand fitted saw, it is likely to be very different from a generic kit they sell.
What's important to know to me, and many others interested in this thing, is how their complete saw performs VS one of their kits. How much work will it need to be a decent saws, etc etc. Thus the questions. After all, if the seals and bearings are crap, then why bother buying the saw VS a kit...

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[Bedford T]

Your post is wacky. I read the rest and they are all handmade/hand fitted. Machines dont assembly these, in China or America or germany. What is a generic kit? How the hell do we know how this will last, they just started making them.

What you and everyone else must know the complete saws are made from the same parts the kits are made from. Except the color. That should tell everyone what to expect. Damn I can't believe how confused people get. One little thing like the color is different and they lose their minds quit using reason.

A 12 year old with a credit card, dad's will do, could use my video, my website and build a great saw. I have men and women never did anything like it and build one. They know what it takes, which parts are important. So why would a blue saw wipe that knowledge out? It does not. So why all this discussion. Prebuild, kits, your choice but the same thing as are important to a saw lasting

We're not talking about a kit here. We're talking about a saw. The OP has already stated it appears to be made differently. If it's a hand made, hand fitted saw, it is likely to be very different from a generic kit they sell.
What's important to know to me, and many others interested in this thing, is how their complete saw performs VS one of their kits. How much work will it need to be a decent saws, etc etc. Thus the questions. After all, if the seals and bearings are crap, then why bother buying the saw VS a kit...

chainsaw kits and packing lists
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http://YouTube.com/c/the1chainsawguy

 

[wyk]

You haven't pulled one completely apart yet, have you? How can you say what's in it? You haven't seen them put one together either? How can you say how it's made. You have to make assumptions. I decided not to.

I admit to being confused. I simply asked how the completed saws have been doing, if they were any different form the kits, and what information folks had about them, and somehow no one can answer it without losing their ****. It's so odd, especially since you seem so normal in your videos...

Wow, sometimes the internet just punishes curiosity. Thank god I don't live here.

 

[Rick Stephens]

One thing for sure - you typically get what you pay for. IMHO, these assembled saws are worth what they ask for them. What do you want for $250?? The kits meet my requirements for a fun project, again, what do you want for $200?

 

[gary courtney]

So why all this discussion.

Would not a saw put together by the chinese be less likely to have as much problems? because when they run into something that is not fitting correctly they would attend to this in China. Rather than the buyer having to go back and forth with them over an issue !

 

[Deleted member 135597]

Would not a saw put together by the chinese be less likely to have as much problems? because when they run into something that is not fitting correctly they would attend to this in China. Rather than the buyer having to go back and forth with them over an issue !

Or they won’t give a **** and push it out the door

 

[Slick50]

Your post is wacky.

Is your last name Tao?

 

[Bedford T]

"The OP has already stated it appears to be made differently. If it's a hand made, hand fitted saw, it is likely to be very different from a generic kit they sell."

That was about me, OP. I did not say differently. I asked you what generic kit meant. You get get your feelings hurt? You shouldn't have. You could just answered my questions

You haven't pulled one completely apart yet, have you? How can you say what's in it? You haven't seen them put one together either? How can you say how it's made. You have to make assumptions. I decided not to.

I admit to being confused. I simply asked how the completed saws have been doing, if they were any different form the kits, and what information folks had about them, and somehow no one can answer it without losing their ****. It's so odd, especially since you seem so normal in your videos...

Wow, sometimes the internet just punishes curiosity. Thank god I don't live here.

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[Bedford T]

These saws are fine for folks that don't care and use them occasionally. My saw I have to trust it. I can buy a Stihl and trust it. I can learn to build it, pay attention to detail and end up with a saw you trust.

I have worked hard to show people how to build something they can trust. You walk up to a big tree and start your fell and your saw craps out, whoops, I have made people capable of doing that build on their own and being safe.

Would you trust an aftermarket company to do that. I get to many incorrectly packed boxes, cylinders that need work to put complete trust in them. You won't get into a spot cutting firewood with blue, maybe inconvenienced. Again saws drop trees too.

So the people that cared enough to learn to build it makes me a little crazy when they don't know the difference in a blue saw and a properly built kit. They can understand the difference, they are capable.

Would not a saw put together by the chinese be less likely to have as much problems? because when they run into something that is not fitting correctly they would attend to this in China. Rather than the buyer having to go back and forth with them over an issue !

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[Rick Stephens]

I bet if you tried all Stihl parts in the assembly it should work.


The 361 uses a different part. The hy way. And whatever are not any better than the Farmertec with this system. The metal of the gears could be better steel, they are different sizes though. Making the adjuster work the parts need to be same size as Stihl. Excatly to fit the case

Ok, here's findings with the Stihl adjuster out of my MS440 OEM saw. First, the Stihl ring gear is kind of in the middle in size between the Stren and the Huztl. When the Stihl adjuster parts are installed in a Huztl 660 case the ring gear does not fully engage the screw shaft gear. In my measurements, the center of the Huztl ring gear post is 12 mm from the center of the screw shaft on all model Huztls I have to measure (660 and 361). The 440 Stihl post is 11 mm center to center. A Stihl adjuster does not work in a Huztl case. A Huztl adjuster is too tight in a Stihl case. I tried this before, knew it wasn't good. This way I have actual measurements. I have a Stihl 660 I can check later, but the parts are the same as the 440.

To restate my point. Only a Huztl adjuster fits the Huztl case from what I can see. I used max size I could get around the gears below.



Not enough engagement between gear teeth.

 

[motorman1]

Has anyone run one of the built 070s? They're such a simple saw. Surely they should run okay, as long as the cylinder walls hold up.

 

[gary courtney]

Has anyone run one of the built 070s? They're such a simple saw. Surely they should run okay, as long as the cylinder walls hold up.

I own one. They are sluggish on trigger response. used it on a 30" plus redoak and I did not time it but I did have son in law running my 372 next to me and the 372 would cut through 2 cuts to the 070's one. No reason to even pull it out anymore. I do not use a saw for nostalgias sake !

 

[cuinrearview]

These saws are fine for folks that don't care

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