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I can "FEEL" it!

Everybody always says they "feel" a difference, or they "believe" the ICE (Internal Combustion Engine) somehow is running better.
NOBODY, not even the naysayers ever come up with hard evidence.
Closest I've seen is Ben with a saw teardown after using the stuff. What's wrong with using a tach? Maybe a infared temp gun, or even at least a minor adjustment to the carb settings? A friend of mine has an old style Snap On emissions tester, if I were to do any of this type of stuff, at least I would try to get some before and after readings. Is that too much to ask? Oh, and by the way, I use Amsoil products, but I'm at least willing to say I really don't know.
Steve W.
 
Everybody always says they "feel" a difference, or they "believe" the ICE (Internal Combustion Engine) somehow is running better.
NOBODY, not even the naysayers ever come up with hard evidence.
Closest I've seen is Ben with a saw teardown after using the stuff. What's wrong with using a tach? Maybe a infared temp gun, or even at least a minor adjustment to the carb settings? A friend of mine has an old style Snap On emissions tester, if I were to do any of this type of stuff, at least I would try to get some before and after readings. Is that too much to ask? Oh, and by the way, I use Amsoil products, but I'm at least willing to say I really don't know.
Steve W.

You dug up a 3 year old thread to tell us what you would do instead of actually doing it?
 
I was born and raised in Alberta, which essentially is the Canadian version of Texas. Oil, cattle, and people that will pull on to the shoulder to let you pass. Of all the places I've been in the US, I actually feel the most at home in Texas.

Of course, east Texas is a different story...
 
if i run it in my diesel will i have to buy new injectors? i thought it was supposed to help injectors?

can i still put it in when i have lucas in the system?


i also have transmission fuild in my tank right now to lube the pump.

something you may want to try is diesel kleen in the silver jug at wally mart and cheap fuel mix for saws at 100:1 in the fuel tank which will bump your mileage by 10-15%. And as for the seafoam i used it more than once and it works well everytime
 
Everybody always says they "feel" a difference, or they "believe" the ICE (Internal Combustion Engine) somehow is running better.
NOBODY, not even the naysayers ever come up with hard evidence.
Closest I've seen is Ben with a saw teardown after using the stuff. What's wrong with using a tach? Maybe a infared temp gun, or even at least a minor adjustment to the carb settings? A friend of mine has an old style Snap On emissions tester, if I were to do any of this type of stuff, at least I would try to get some before and after readings. Is that too much to ask? Oh, and by the way, I use Amsoil products, but I'm at least willing to say I really don't know.
Steve W.

"I can feel it well "I tell you what I used sea foam trans tune in my automatic trans that was shifting hard and no doubt you could feel it had helped smooth out the hard shifts.http://www.seafoamsales.com/why-trans-tune-works.html
 
The only Seafoam I use is "Deep Creep" penetrating oil, best stuff I've ever used expensive but a little goes a long way.

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Too soon old, too late smart!

Yea, I was tired, had a couple of beers, kids kept interrupting me. Whatever I can use for an excuse.
Pretty red faced right about now. Kinda like having your zipper down during meet and greet at church.
Steve W.
 
OK...I've started using Seafoam in my 2-stroke fuel, and here's why:

A couple of months ago I found myself unable to pass up a great deal on a little 50cc scooter. I know...fat girl fun. I thought it would be fun to mess with, but at 70 miles per gallon (my truck makes about 7), I've started using it more and more, in spite of the harsh reality check I get when I ride past someone I know, or an attractive female.

Problem is, I live in a tiny town, where no-one buys premium gas, and the manual calls for premium. Wasn't too long before I got some wet fuel, and could barely get the scooter to move forward. If you think being on a scooter is embarrassing, try being on one that requires a constant throttle massage to go 5 mph.

Drained the gas, put in new (I made it to "the big city" before she started acting up), and after 15 minutes of circling a parking lot, had enough "umph" to make it to the nearest Walmart. I was looking for something to deal with the water, and saw the Seafoam. I've heard enough about it that i thought I'd give it a shot. Scooter made it home without a hiccup.

To avoid further 5 mph performances, I wanted to know the Seafoam was doing the job as far as water in the gas went, so the next time I filled up, I did it at the same place I had gotten bad gas the day before. 2 oz Seafoam in one gallon of gas, and no issues. Just to make sure, my next fill-up was from the gallon of bad fuel I had drained out of the tank (with the addition of 2 oz of Seafoam). Not even the slightest hiccup.

So the Seafoam was doing what I wanted (I know, so would isopropanol). At that point, I thought I might just add some to my regular mix, because the humidity here in SC makes wet fuel a real issue. I have had irregular performances and trouble tuning on humid and rainy days, and thought the Seafoam might help. This is the end of the "factual" and "experimental" account of my experience with Seafoam. The conclusion is that Seafoam keeps water in the gas from causing issues. Isopropanol will do the same for less money.

I have picked up 3-4 mph on the top end, but I think using a dedicated foam filter treatment instead of oil has had more of an effect.

What follows in part II will be more of the typical "Seafoam resurrection" story where the miraculous transformation that is described cannot be directly tied to Seafoam.
 
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Part II

OK. So now I have Seafoam sitting around. I also have a 21cc "Weedeater" string trimmer sitting around. The trimmer sits because it won't run. Since I moved 2 years ago it has never run. I have only tried twice before to make it run, because I'm not surprised it doesn't run. I expect it not to run. For 7-8 years I have run mixes of varying ratios, with whatever was at hand: mostly 30W oil, and 2-stroke outboard oil. Never once have I drained the tank over winter, or discarded the mix I used. It is quite possible I drew fuel from the same can for 3-4 years (I'm not a big fan of trimming). In short, it should have died a long time ago.

On August 9th, my mom came to visit. I got the from mowed, but not the back because I somehow managed to bend the rinky-dink blade that came with the rinky-dink mower that came with the house. If you are starting to get the feeling that i treat my lawn equipment and my chainsaws differently, I would like to take this opportunity to point out that you are absolutely correct.

On August 11th, my wife gave birth to a baby girl. This was not a surprise, and the reason my mom came to visit in the first place. Since that time, the lawn in the backyard has taken on the appearance of the plains of the Serengeti. Remember the rinky-dink mower? No match for that hayfield. I needed to weed-whack before I could mow, and the obituary for my weed-whacker had been written 2 years previously.

It doesn't take Nostradamus to figure out the rest of the story. I had Seafoam, a dead trimmer, and the memories of more than 100 posts saying Seafoam would save my trimmer and cure my jock itch in the process (did I mention it was humid in SC?). I also have a workbench with some Stihl trimmer parts on it, but that's a whole 'nother thread.

There was about 4 oz of old, stinky mix in the tank. I added an equal volume of Seafoam, with the intent of getting some into the carb and letting it sit overnight. To that end, I pushed the primer bulb a few times, and started pulling the chord. To my surprise, the engine coughed on the 5th or 6th pull. With one eyebrow locked in the raised position, I put the choke on and pulled again. It coughed again. I took the choke off, and pulled again...

Now both eyebrows were raised. The trimmer was running, puffing out that beautiful white Seafoam smoke. I could do nothing but stare. After about 10 seconds, the thought crossed my mind that it shouldn't run with that much Seafoam. The trimmer ignored my reasoning, and kept running.

After another 20 seconds, another thought crossed my mind (probably a search and rescue mission...it isn't often that thoughts will venture forth into such a barren space): there can't be enough light oil in the Seafoam to prevent lean running. That thought also died in vain. I was mesmerized. Eventually I gave up waiting for the trimmer to die, pushed the kill switch, set the trimmer down, and walked into the house, shaking my head. I didn't want to drink the Kool-Aid, but had unwillingly filled the glass and was holding it in my hand.

The next day, predictably, once the tank was drained and re-filled with fresh mix, the trimmer ran like a champ. Yes...it ran better than it had in a long time. Can I quantify "better"? No. But...those of you who have been similarly neglectful of lawn equipment will know what I mean when I say that I no longer felt sorry for it when it was running.

Did the Seafoam salvage my dead trimmer? Can't say for sure. My preconceived notions of why I had trouble with it in the first place are the only reason for me to think that Seafoam was the saving grace. It sure could be coincidence.

If my trimmer tale is enough to convince you to use Seafoam, then you are soft-headed. It was enough, however (given my own spongiform encephalopathy), to convince me to keep using Seafoam instead of plain isopropanol to deal with watery fuel. In short, I have not been convinced that the benefits are real, but I have been convinced that the benefits are a possibility.

To keep things on topic, I will confess that my 40:1 Bailey's synthetic mix now contains 2oz of Seafoam in each gallon, and my chainsaws haven't registered any complaints.

If you can't shame me off of my scooter, there is no way you can make me embarrassed about using Seafoam.
 
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I have 15 gallon storage containers I dump a pint of Seafoam, or 6 oz of MMM in every time I fill them. I make my 50:1 mix with this gas. ( I also use it straight in my other equipment) I have done this for years. I do this in HOPE that it stabilizes the fuel and I will not have gum on the front side and carbon after ignition. All I can PROVE is that I have spent extra $ over the years:dunno:
 
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I have never had a issue with fuel jelling, or dirty injectors so I dont really have a use for the stuff.
Of course we are talking about a Cummins engine.....

Wow you live in the UP and never had an issue with fuel gelling? I live in PA and have had problems with fuel gelling. And it has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with a Cummins engine. Man your fuel suppliers up there must really be on the ball.

The first year of ULSD saw trucks all over the place with gelled fuel. You must be blessed.
 
I too have had multiple people that I trust tell me that Seafoam does a good job of cleaning the junk out of an engine that has sat for too long. Never had the need to use it though.

As far as additives are concerned, some work, and some don't. I often run Power Service in my truck to help lube the pump, and keep the fuel from gelling up in the winter. It's not magic, but dollar for dollar it's one of the better anti-gel diesel additives you can get, and it's pretty decent on lubricity. I have never found that it does anything for fuel milage though. I've seen independant lab results that show that a 2% biodiesel has twice the lubricity as any properly mixed fuel additive though, so when the weather is decent, and when I can find it, I go that route.

I've also had excelent results with Auto RX in my diesel, and Militech 1 in my straight six (both oil additives). The Auto RX boosted my fuel milage about 10% right off the bat, and I have spoken with several diesel mechanics that swear by the stuff. They have done the tear downs to see the results first hand, so I'll take their advise. Doesn't do much in a gas engine though. Militech 1 also does a good job. I run it on my AR and my 1911, and can tell an obvious change in the cycle rate. I used it in my I6 (f150), and it imediatly stopped the lifters from knocking and smoothed out the idle. Just wish it wasn't so expensive.

My real life conslusion is this. There's a lot of snake oil out there, but there are also some products that work on some things. They are generally advertised to be way better than they actually are. So, unless I hit a multi million dollar lottery to where I have so much time and money that I'm just looking for things to try, I'll continue to listen to the results from experienced people like those found here on AS and take their advice as to what works on what applications. I'll do so with the full understanding that there will always be someone who tried additie XYZ on one application and it failed, and now it all must be junk, and on the other side there's someone else who tried the same product on a different application and it worked so well that they now take it with their vitamans in the morning, and sprinkle it on thier kids cerial.

Just my 2 bits,
Mark
 
So, I decided to add some to my chainsaw mix.

First culprit was my 66. I bought this used, and although it was well cared for in the past, I don't know all the details.
The saw started and ran as usual, but I was determined to run the entire tank in one use. It really seemed that it ran faster and smoother, especially the last quarter tank.
After refilling, I pulled the filter, and checked the carb, and it literally looked brand new.

I tried the same test on my 346xp, and to my surprise, it did the same thing.
The saw ran better and faster as it warmed up, but really hummed toward the end.
I was not expecting this result, but I am really pleased.
Is it possible that seafoam can make that noticable a difference, in so short a time? From my perhaps biased perspective, I am sold on the stuff.

How much did you add? Very possible you just effectively leaned the mixture out.
 
Sea Foam

I am a firm believer in seafoam. I started using it about a year ago in my daughter's 1990 Toyota Camry with 176,000 ,miles on it. I knew that she bought gas from the cheapest places she could find and kept the tank almost empty causing condensation to form. The car would die and only I could get it to start. I added sea foam mostly for the drying agent (isopropyl alcohol) and hoped it would clean the injectors and the car would run without cutting out and stranding my daughter. It turned out that it also had other problems including a clogged fuel filter, bad air flow monitor and bad pick up coil in the distributor and sticky accelerator cable which I eventually fixed.
I went to buy an old Stihl 051 that I had found on Craigslist and the saw had dirt dobber nests on it and caked sawdust and oil all over it. The muffler was wired on with baling wire and the chain although new had been used to cut nails. The seller couldn't get it to run before I showed up and when I got there he started taking the carburetor apart. He had put seafoam/gas mix in the gas tank and had pulled it over trying to start it and it evidently would not start. He had a cup of seafoam and started tearing the carburetor apart. He told me that he dipped cue tips in sea foam and used it as a carburetor cleaner and that it would dissolve the varnish in the carburetor. I painfully watched him tear the carburetor apart and after about 15 minutes I told him that I wanted it for parts and made a reduced offer. We settled on $75.00 with him putting it back together. He put it back together and cranked it and it started right up. He did not let it run but a few seconds.
I got it home and cleaned it up and put a sharp chain on it and got it started and cut an oak log. It would die out at high rpms but it ran. It was also easy to pull over so I though that it had low compression. As I was putting it up, my hand hit against the spark plug and it was loose. I tightened it a couple of turns and had already drained the tank and ran it dry so I did not start it again. The loose spark plug explained the easy cranking and the stalling at high rpms.
I have a honda lawnmower that I haven't used in a couple of years because it would surge and had very little power. I followed the directions on the sea foam can and sprayed sea foam in the carburetor and poured about a pint in the empty gas tank and cranked it but couldn't get it to start on just the sea foam sprayed in the carburetor. I sprayed a gas sea foam mixture in the carburetor and let in sit for 15 minutes to let the pure sea foam soak the carburetor. I then cranked it and cut the entire lawn without it surging while under load.
I then put it in my Troy Bilt weed eater and it idled where it would die out before. I put it in my Stihl MS 260 which would die out when I set it down and it idled perfectly a when I set it down. I have a tiller which surges when I use it with a loss of power. I will use it in it next.
I too looked up the MSDS sheet for Sea Foam http://www.seafoamsales.com/component/option,com_rokdownloads/id,271/task,download/view,file/
and it indeed contains 40 to 60 % pale oil, 25 to 35 % naptha and 10 to 20 % isopropyl alcohol. Pale oil is a light mineral oil and isopropyl alcohol is rubbing alcohol. Naptha is however not clearly defined and is a mixture of petroleum distillates whose composition varies according to when it is extracted in the distillation process. The MSDS sheet then lists in Section 8 titled "Exposure Controls and Personal Protection" the PEL (Permissible Exposure Limit) it gives the final rule limit for V M & P Naptha. It isn't clear if the Naptha that is in Sea Foam is V M & P Naptha. V M & P Naptha is defined by USDOL at http://www.osha.gov/SLTC/healthguidelines/vmpnaphtha/recognition.html
and as

"VM & P naphtha is refined petroleum solvent which is a colorless to light yellow, flammable and explosive liquid with an aromatic odor. VM & P naphtha is commercially available in at least three distinct compositions with varying boiling points and flash points. It contains varying amounts of saturated, aromatic, and olefinic hydrocarbons, and typically includes less than one percent benzene. An odor threshold of 0.89 part per million (ppm) parts of air has been reported."

Saturated hydrocarbons are chemicals like ethane, propane, decane etc. Aromatic hydrocarbons are chemicals that contain benzene rings such as benzene itself or toluene. Olefinic hydrocarbons are unsaturated hydrocarbons that contain double or triple bonds between the carbon atoms of which the fat in butter is an example. (I had to review my college chemistry to understand and write this.)
V M & P Naptha is not regulated by OSH and the MSDS sheet is not required to list the components of V M & P Naptha.
The probable benefits of Sea Foam are from the isopropyl alcohol which dries out the gas, the benzene and toluene and other aromatic hydrocarbons which would disolve the varnish and increase the octane in the gas causing the engine to burn cleaner. Toluene is used in brake clean spray products or it used to be used when I worked as a mechanic. I am not sure what the pale oil does.
giljack (Stihl 051 AVE (2), MS 260 (with MS 260 Pro oil pump) and 011)
 
How much did you add? Very possible you just effectively leaned the mixture out.

Use the "Search" the answer is there LOL .

Well geez, now I feel like a dolt. This is a three year old thread that I already responded. to. :chainsaw:

You beat every one , now they can't jump all over your reply !

:cheers:
 
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