Jonsered 2165 all the way, best price on a new top quality mid-range saw, go with an 18" bar with proper non-safety chisel chain, it's 65cc motor is a ripper, smooth at full power, cuts fast and unstressed. Not as light as a 60cc stihl, maybe a pound difference, but with an 18" bar you're balanced and not worrying about weight at all. Some put in the bigger 72cc piston, cylinder and carb for more bite and bark with a 20" - 22" bar, but buying new, you'd get the dearer 2171 instead. Truth is the 65cc has power to burn, working in the bush I find a stihl 20" 044 and an 18" 2165 basically the same performers tree for tree, I like the jonsered better for it's fatter handles and smoother vibes