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hey nate, try this. i've copied and paraphrased from another publication. this is how to check by using a multimeter

1. check spark plug, boot, and wire from coil for continuity

Set the multimeter into the ohms function. Use the range button to manually select the 40 k range. (Auto ranging may not work here due the inductance of the coil). Now, touch one probe tip to the engine block and the other to the metal connector inside the plug wire cap. The meter should read the resistance of the coil and HV wire in series. Good readings will range from 3 k to 15 k. Higher readings mean a poor connection, which typically occurs either where the HV wire connects to the coil or at the other end where the HV wire connects to the spark plug clip inside the cap. A reading of OL means an open circuit or break in the electrical path. If a bad reading is indicated, double check to make sure you are making a good connection with both test leads.

2. check condenser


If your multimeter does not have the capacitance function, use the resistance (ohms) instead. This test is best performed with the capacitor removed from the engine. Start by shorting the capacitor by touching the lead to the case. Now, touch one probe to the lead and one to the case without touching the probe tips or exposed capacitor parts with your fingers. Watch the meter reading as the capacitor charges up. A reading of OL in the ohms function means the capacitor is not leaking or shorted, i.e., it’s probably good. Now reverse the test leads and repeat the test. The results should be the same.

If your multimeter does have the capacitance funcion - Disconnect the condenser lead, then place the multimeter in the capacitance function and hold one test lead to the capacitor case and the other to the terminal. Do not touch both leads simultaneously with your fingers because the resistance through your body will cause reading errors. A typical range of good readings would be .015 micro Farads to .030 micro Farads. A reading of OL (overload) in the capacitance function means the capacitor is shorted. A very low capacitance reading probably means the capacitor is open. Capacitors are not normally repairable so a bad reading will likely mean a trip to the parts store.

3. check points


Locate the breaker points and examine the contact surfaces. For proper operation the breaker point contact surfaces should be clean and shining. Make an electrical resistance test with your digital multimeter before attempting to clean the contact surfaces. This will allow a before and after indication. Note that the points are in parallel with the primary coil. When the points are open the resistance across the coil and points in parallel will be about 1.0
ohm (the coil’s wire resistance). When the points (with clean contacts) are closed the

resistance will fall to a value of 0.1 ohms to 0.2 ohms
. Any oil or corrosion on the point contact surfaces will raise the resistance and reduce the primary coil current, which subsequently weakens or kills the spark.

Measure the contact resistance as follows: place the multimeter in the ohm function and hold the probe tips tightly together to obtain a reference reading with the tips shorted. The reading should show between 0.0 ohms and 0.3 ohms, note the value. This is the reference reading.

Now place the probe tips on opposite sides of the point contacts when the points are in the closed position. The meter should now read no more the 0.1 ohm
greater than

the reference reading. Higher readings indicate contamination on the contact surfaces. If the contact surfaces are pitted, the best choice would be to replace the points. If
you can’t install new ones, then carefully clean the ones you’ve got. The object here is to remove all contamination without damaging the underlying metal.

The preferred cleaning method is to scrape the contact surfaces with a sharp carpet-layer’s knife, followed by a wiping with solvent on a clean cloth. Filing will sometimes
work but there is a risk of damaging the underlying metal which will shorten the life of the contacts. In any event do not use sandpaper. The grit will embed itself in the contact metal, rendering the points useless.
If you want a quick fix to get the engine running, try the “old-timers point cleaning trick” as follows: With the crank shaft positioned so that the points are closed, pry the
breaker arm open and insert a clean business card between the contact surfaces. Release the breaker arm so that the points grip the end of the card and then drag
the card through its width, wiping the contacts in the process. The card has two properties which make it work. It is absorbent enough to remove oil and gently
abrasive enough to remove surface contamination.
When you think the cleaning is complete, verify the results by repeating the electrical resistance test. Before leaving the points, make a visual inspection of the gap
in the open position. A typical specification would be 0.020 inches but you should determine the gap for your saw.
 
Ok to follow all this up... anyone got a pic with the capacitor in it? I'm pretty sure the condenser is the big black banana shaped part, right? I didn't check the points gap but the points looked really really clean and in good shape.

2nd, Who's got spare parts for me? I did notice that my clutch drum was a spur type and about cut in 1/2. Anyone got a rim drive for these?

Lastly, didn't see any electrical stuff on ebay for these saws... Hope if I need parts one of ya'll will share. :)
 
the capacitor is typically known as a condenser and is a small, shiny cylinder (typically about as big as your thumb) with a wire coming out of one end. it may or may not have a mounting bracket welded to it. it is usually mounted under the flywheel directly next to the points. the aforementioned wire connects to one side of the points.
 
the capacitor is typically known as a condenser and is a small, shiny cylinder (typically about as big as your thumb) with a wire coming out of one end. it may or may not have a mounting bracket welded to it. it is usually mounted under the flywheel directly next to the points. the aforementioned wire connects to one side of the points.

Shaun told me he had to scrape the points and set the gap on his so maybe the points just remained closed and aren't gapped.
 
Ok guys, pioneer 620/650.

No spark, points look awesome under the dust cap. Thoughts?

I'm pulling 120psi so I thin I have enough to make it go. Don't want to take the time on fuel system if I can't get spark.

Cheers!

Your points, condenser and coil are all on one stator plate like the ones in this pict.

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Your points, condenser and coil are all on one stator plate like the ones in this pict.

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Great pic Jerry. I've had several of these saws with no spark. It's been the points every time. On the first one it took me a minute to see there was a cover to be removed over the points. Looks like you've already removed it in your picture. Once removed it's pretty easy to see the points opening and closing as you rotate the crank. I think you even coached me through sanding them. Easy to take out and sand on a very flat surface. Instant spark. I love fixes like this!
 
Great pic Jerry. I've had several of these saws with no spark. It's been the points every time. On the first one it took me a minute to see there was a cover to be removed over the points. Looks like you've already removed it in your picture. Once removed it's pretty easy to see the points opening and closing as you rotate the crank. I think you even coached me through sanding them. Easy to take out and sand on a very flat surface. Instant spark. I love fixes like this!

Yes, these saws from the model RA on up to the 650 are very simple/easy saws to work on. Spark issues are mostly points related. Even if the points look good there may be a layer of blackened corrosion on the mating surfaces of the contacts. I have had many owners argue with me on this only to get spark back after the point contacts were cleaned by sanding or points filed. Reset the gap and get great fire again. I have been involved with this series of saws since 1958 when Dad bought his first 600 and the first saw I ran was a RA.
Your RA is coming along beautifully, looks like you have put plenty of effort into this resto. and some of those parts look to be NOS.
 
Ok to follow all this up... anyone got a pic with the capacitor in it? I'm pretty sure the condenser is the big black banana shaped part, right? I didn't check the points gap but the points looked really really clean and in good shape.

2nd, Who's got spare parts for me? I did notice that my clutch drum was a spur type and about cut in 1/2. Anyone got a rim drive for these?

Lastly, didn't see any electrical stuff on ebay for these saws... Hope if I need parts one of ya'll will share. :)
I have a "few" nos parts for these saws. Make a list of stuff you want and send it in a pm. I'll dig for it and we can figure something out.
 
Your RA is coming along beautifully, looks like you have put plenty of effort into this resto. and some of those parts look to be NOS.

I'll take that as a compliment. Carb to cylinder gaskets and fuel filter are the only NOS parts I have. The rest is a combination of sanding or sanding + paint. I have a limited window to work on this each week and even a smaller window of tolerance for paint removal and surface prep. The project is moving but slowly. I just need the motivation to get the old paint off the plug boot and wire and the on/off switch wire and I will be able to put the flywheel side back together.
 
2nd, Who's got spare parts for me? I did notice that my clutch drum was a spur type and about cut in 1/2. Anyone got a rim drive for these?
The Poulan/Pioneer PN is 507475081 (sprocket only) (NLA everywhere I looked).
The Oregon replacement sprocket system was PN 27440X (sprocket and rim, bearing ordered separately). That might broaden your horizons.
 
I'll take that as a compliment. Carb to cylinder gaskets and fuel filter are the only NOS parts I have. The rest is a combination of sanding or sanding + paint. I have a limited window to work on this each week and even a smaller window of tolerance for paint removal and surface prep. The project is moving but slowly. I just need the motivation to get the old paint off the plug boot and wire and the on/off switch wire and I will be able to put the flywheel side back together.

The parts all cleaned up really nice, they actually look NOS. I was very lucky on my RA restoration in that I had acquired quite a few NOS parts for it in advance. My all original runners now number at 4 , they are slow by todays standards but I still like running them occasionally.
 
Does anyone know if it exists, or a p.n. of an Oregon Pro-Lite bar and chain for my Pioneer 1073 16"? I checked their online parts finder and all it comes up with are two chains. I'm just wondering if there really may be some Oregon bars that do fit. I can always call them next week and ask them.

Any recommendations on another bar if that doesn't work out?

Thanks.
 
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