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treeslayer said:
sorry not to reply sooner bro. Va is very similar to KY in a lot of parts. part mountain, lots of rolling countryside as we call it, but with so much ocean and the Chesapeake bay, more varied. much nicer though. IMO

I worked western KY last winter, loved it. wanna go back. KY women and Makers Mark go well together.....:)
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Had a good time in KY too. Been a bit envious seeing your daily jobs online. Not much going on in Detroit 'cept alot of murder & thievery. Deadwooded a cottonwood today though; good timing since i've had cabin fever lately. u fellas r killing 'em in Illinois ay?
 
power line trimming

On most I just limbwalk out to the end and whittle em back. Easy plucks, I get a couple hundred a tree.
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Looks like the Indianapolis Colts are wuppin up on the Baltimore Colts...er..the Browns...er...the Ravens just like we did this season (twice).:)

ps...nice picts davo
 
treeslayer said:
JPS, you had a good time with me in VA big boy, don't forget what happens in KY or VA or FLA or GA etc... STAYS in KY, VA, FLA, GA, etc.....:hmm3grin2orange:
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You were buyin the food :laugh: though I went to bed when you guys were hitting the clubs, they told me somthing about you, twenty dollar bills and some dive-bar dancers with more tattoos that all the guys put together....:eek:
 
John Paul Sanborn said:
We had that up here too. Not really heavy enough to call a hoar frost, more like everything was coated with powdered sugar.
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I learn so much while hanging out here it arborist site. I was inspired to look up "Frost". Just look at all the different types of Frost there are:

Types [blatantly plagiarized from Wikipedia]

Radiation frost (probably not what you had on the trees!)
Radiation frost (also called hoar frost or hoarfrost) refers to the white ice crystals, loosely deposited on the ground or exposed objects, that form on cold clear nights when heat losses into the open skies cause objects to become colder than the surrounding air. A related effect is flood frost which occurs when air cooled by ground-level radiation losses travels downhill to form pockets of very cold air in depressions, valleys, and hollows. Hoar frost can form in these areas even when the air temperature a few feet above ground is well above freezing. Nonetheless the frost itself will be at or below the freezing temperature of water.

Hoar frost may have different names depending on where it forms. For example, air hoar is a deposit of hoar frost on objects above the surface, such as tree branches, plant stems, wires; surface hoar is formed by fernlike ice crystals directly deposited on snow, ice or already frozen surfaces; crevasse hoar consists in crystals that form in glacial crevasses where water vapour can accumulate under calm weather conditions; depth hoar refers to cup shaped, faceted crystals formed within dry snow, beneath the surface.

Surface hoar is a cause of avalanches when it forms on top of snow. Conditions that are ideal are cold clear nights, with a very light wind that is able to circulate more humidified air around the snow surface. Wind that is too abrupt will destroy the crystals. When buried by subsequent snows they may remain standing for easy identification, or become laid down, but still dangerous because of the weakness of the crystals

Hoar frost also occurs around man-made environments such as freezers or industrial cold storage facilities. It occurs in adjacent rooms that are not well insulated against the cold or around entry locations where humidity and moisture will enter and freeze instantly depending on the freezer temperature.
[edit] Advection frost

Advection frost (also called wind frost)
refers to tiny ice spikes forming when there is a very cold wind blowing over branches of trees, poles and other surfaces. It looks like rimming the edge of flowers and leaves and usually it forms against the direction of the wind. It can occur at any hour of day and night.

Frost flowers
Frost flowers occur when there is a freezing weather condition but the ground is not already frozen. The water contained in the plant stem expands and causes long cracks along the stem. Water, via capillary action, goes out from the cracks and freezes on contact with the air. Also the frost can literally look like a flower, even a dead flower from the previous summer. These are rare and wonderful to see as they are very delicate and last usually less than a day. Due to their fleeting nature, they are difficult to find to photograph and the locations of these Frost Flowers are elusive as terrain plays a big part in their formation as well.

Window frost
Window frost (also called fern frost) forms when a glass pane is exposed to very cold air on the outside and moderately moist air on the inside. If the pane is not a good insulator (such as a single pane window), water vapour condenses on the glass forming patterns. With very low temperatures outside frost can appear on the bottom of the window even with double pane energy efficient windows, due to air convection between two panes of glass. The bottom part of the glazing unit is always colder than the top part. The glass surface influences the shape of crystals, so imperfections, scratches or dust can modify the way ice nucleates. If the indoor air is very humid, rather than moderately so, water would first condense in small droplets and then freeze into clear ice.

Rime (I think this is what you get on trees in a cold fog)
Rime is a type of frost that occurs quickly, often under conditions of heavily saturated air and windy conditions. Ships traveling through Arctic seas may accumulate rime on the rigging. Unlike hoar frost, which has a feathery appearance, rime generally has an icy solid appearance. In contrast to the formation of hoar frost, in which the water vapor condenses slowly and directly into icy feathers, Rime typically goes through a liquid phase where the surface is wet by condensation before freezing.


(Hmmm. Is it plagiarism if you reference your source?
Okay. I did not plagiarize, I borrowed the information from Wikipedia.)
 
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pdqdl said:
I learn so much while hanging out here it arborist site. I was inspired to look up "Frost". Just look at all the different types of Frost there are:

Types [blatantly plagiarized from Wikipedia]

Radiation frost (probably not what you had on the trees!)
Radiation frost (also called hoar frost or hoarfrost) refers to the white ice crystals, loosely deposited on the ground or exposed objects, that form on cold clear nights when heat losses into the open skies cause objects to become colder than the surrounding air. A related effect is flood frost which occurs when air cooled by ground-level radiation losses travels downhill to form pockets of very cold air in depressions, valleys, and hollows. Hoar frost can form in these areas even when the air temperature a few feet above ground is well above freezing. Nonetheless the frost itself will be at or below the freezing temperature of water.

Hoar frost may have different names depending on where it forms. For example, air hoar is a deposit of hoar frost on objects above the surface, such as tree branches, plant stems, wires; surface hoar is formed by fernlike ice crystals directly deposited on snow, ice or already frozen surfaces; crevasse hoar consists in crystals that form in glacial crevasses where water vapour can accumulate under calm weather conditions; depth hoar refers to cup shaped, faceted crystals formed within dry snow, beneath the surface.

Surface hoar is a cause of avalanches when it forms on top of snow. Conditions that are ideal are cold clear nights, with a very light wind that is able to circulate more humidified air around the snow surface. Wind that is too abrupt will destroy the crystals. When buried by subsequent snows they may remain standing for easy identification, or become laid down, but still dangerous because of the weakness of the crystals

Hoar frost also occurs around man-made environments such as freezers or industrial cold storage facilities. It occurs in adjacent rooms that are not well insulated against the cold or around entry locations where humidity and moisture will enter and freeze instantly depending on the freezer temperature.
[edit] Advection frost

Advection frost (also called wind frost)
refers to tiny ice spikes forming when there is a very cold wind blowing over branches of trees, poles and other surfaces. It looks like rimming the edge of flowers and leaves and usually it forms against the direction of the wind. It can occur at any hour of day and night.

Frost flowers
Frost flowers occur when there is a freezing weather condition but the ground is not already frozen. The water contained in the plant stem expands and causes long cracks along the stem. Water, via capillary action, goes out from the cracks and freezes on contact with the air. Also the frost can literally look like a flower, even a dead flower from the previous summer. These are rare and wonderful to see as they are very delicate and last usually less than a day. Due to their fleeting nature, they are difficult to find to photograph and the locations of these Frost Flowers are elusive as terrain plays a big part in their formation as well.

Window frost
Window frost (also called fern frost) forms when a glass pane is exposed to very cold air on the outside and moderately moist air on the inside. If the pane is not a good insulator (such as a single pane window), water vapour condenses on the glass forming patterns. With very low temperatures outside frost can appear on the bottom of the window even with double pane energy efficient windows, due to air convection between two panes of glass. The bottom part of the glazing unit is always colder than the top part. The glass surface influences the shape of crystals, so imperfections, scratches or dust can modify the way ice nucleates. If the indoor air is very humid, rather than moderately so, water would first condense in small droplets and then freeze into clear ice.

Rime (I think this is what you get on trees in a cold fog)
Rime is a type of frost that occurs quickly, often under conditions of heavily saturated air and windy conditions. Ships traveling through Arctic seas may accumulate rime on the rigging. Unlike hoar frost, which has a feathery appearance, rime generally has an icy solid appearance. In contrast to the formation of hoar frost, in which the water vapor condenses slowly and directly into icy feathers, Rime typically goes through a liquid phase where the surface is wet by condensation before freezing.


(Hmmm. Is it plagiarism if you reference your source?
Okay. I did not plagiarize, I borrowed the information from Wikipedia.)
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Dude, it ain't cold in Missouri. :confused:

Forgive me bro, I got jokes..................:cheers:
 
treeslayer said:
Dude, it ain't cold in Missouri. :confused:

Forgive me bro, I got jokes..................:cheers:
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Nonsense!

I distinctly remember doing snow removal some years back in the coldest December on record. We took a 15 man sidewalk crew a few miles away to do another building. It took 1 1/2 hours at 2:00 am. When the crew came back, they were positively BLUE. It was a crew cab, and only 8 men could fit in the cab...and it was 22 below zero.

I also remember a different cold spell when I went rabbit hunting with a friend 20 miles away. The high for the day was 12 below zero. My motorcycle was the only machine that I could get started, and I kicked it up to 85mph just so that I could feel the wind chill.

Don't tell me it doesn't get cold here. Arctic...no. But plenty cold enough to realize what it is like when it gets cold. We have a wonderful climate here: it gets as cold as Minnesota in the winter, and it gets as hot as Texas in the Summer.

By the way: those are beautiful pictures of the trees in the cold above. I would be very inclined to stop work and just look at it all.
 

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