OK treemandan, I am in management but started climbing in 1977 , I have not climbed in almost 6 years. Do the math. If you want to know more, go to our website, urbantreecare.com, I do like jawing tho, although I am in management, I do know my job because my Boss did not put me here for my pretty face! Got my treeworker cert in 1992 #449., went contract climber till I got my woman pregnant and then got cert arb#7624 and went to management and all is good. Now I am raising 3 girls and running a multi-million a year. Wanna talk stress, I was less streesed when I weas just climbing.