what's the deal with super split

[natems361]

one shoe fits all

So true and there is no one shoe that fits all. What works well for some wont work for others.

I am new to this site. I have learned what most people want for firewood around here, and it surprised me to hear how many people require small wood. At logsplitter competitions I think threshold are 6x6. And6x9. I'm working on something now and if it works that shoe will fit all. And keep the raw power of hydraulics alive and on top.

 

[Jules083]

Here's my $0.02.

Last year a borrowed a Hydraulic from a friend, had it for about a month. 25 ton, single wedge. This fall I bought a Speedpro from TSC, destroyed the ram, and returned it then bought a SS.

For 24" and under rounds, there is no question the SS is much faster. It roughly takes half the time and uses half the fuel. Picking up the big ones is a disadvantage in some situations, but overall the splitter is much better for my use.

When I went to my neighbor's house and actually had help we did a heaping flatbed load (8'x9', 2' rails) in about 15 minutes. That was one guy stacking rounds next to me, one guy throwing the splits. With the hydro it took about 45 minutes to fill the same truck.

At home and buy myself I set the SS next to the wood pile, and every 5 minutes or so I have to back the splitter up because I'm running out of room up front. I normally don't even bother getting the splitter out until there's 5 or 6 loads there, it's not worth getting it out of the garage for anything less. Short of a dedicated processer I don't think any other splitter can keep up with a SS, and surely not any splitter in the under $3000 range.

 

[Hddnis]

I am new to this site. I have learned what most people want for firewood around here, and it surprised me to hear how many people require small wood. At logsplitter competitions I think threshold are 6x6. And6x9. I'm working on something now and if it works that shoe will fit all. And keep the raw power of hydraulics alive and on top.

The "raw power" of your hydraulic comes from putting more power into it. Try making a hydro splitter that uses a six way wedge and runs off a 3hp engine. Or a 2hp electric motor. Shoot, try running one off a 6hp gas engine.


You are only getting faster by putting two times or more machine into it. That isn't even a comparison.


How many times am I going to have to point this out to you?





Mr. HE

 

[Hddnis]

Ok I have to throw the bs flag here. Have you ever timed how long it takes to noodle a round? Or as stated noodle a 36 inch round into 12 pieces? I would bet your would have several minutes in noodling alone then have to resplit on the ss. I would bet my vertical horizontal splitter will split it way faster then noodling it. Second how did we get on what volume produces only are using instead of what most people use? I guess I was under the impression that most of us cut our own wood, then split it and not all of us were doing it for volume resale. I guess that there is just a huge difference between the east and west on how we do our firewood. In the west we take what we can get for wood. Big or little we are just happy to have some wood. Truck in a load of wood? LOL Around here you would be trucking it 500 to 1000 miles to get a load of wood, man that would be expensive! Second our wood is not all 12-16 inch stuff it is whatever we can get usually 2ft to xft diameter. I would say it is fairly standard around here to cut wood to 16 inch length. I have never seen anyone have to split their wood to 3" to 5" inch diameter to make it burn or fit it in a stove, unless its an old cook stove. I am shocked that most of you guys in the east do this, kinda blows my mind. Seems like the wood would burn faster and you would use a lot more of it this way. I would say most in the west don't split the wood if its 8-10" diameter, just throw it in the stove. I find it very interesting to see the differences, I just never though about it before. Also to those who say most are not splitting cottonwood or pine, lol, again come to the west and show me what else there is to cut. Cottonwood, pine, aspen, and that is about it. So guess all of us from Nebraska west just don't know what we are doing. If you are going pure production you would buy a processor and not mess with a ss.

Each has their own place I guess and I just never knew so many people split so small of pieces. Very interesting topic and if some of this does not make much sense thats because its way late for me to be up.

I'm out west and from what I've seen the wood sizes you talk about are the exception and not the rule. Growing up we never burned anything bigger than 16" in long, max split or unsplit of 6" and most of it was 3"-4"

Now, in more rural areas you start to see bigger wood sizes, that I have seen for sure. 24" long by 8" split is not uncommon. Often these guys are using huge old stoves or building their own stoves even.

Last time I was looking at buying a stove I only found one that could take a 20" long piece, everything else wanted 16". Maybe because of EPA that wood sizes are being forced down? A lot of the new ones are for 12" wood and I've been finding an increasing market for this size.

You are 100% right about burning what you can get. I've never lived where wood was scarce at all, but we still burned whatever was available. Cottonwood, poplar, fir, pine, cedar, filbert, oak, maple, beech, cheer, plum, alder, eucalyptus, redwood, spruce, and I'm sure I'm forgetting a bunch too. I've burned it all. Some I liked better than others for sure, but when dry it all kept the house warm.



Mr. HE

 

[CUCV]

I am new to this site. I have learned what most people want for firewood around here, and it surprised me to hear how many people require small wood. At logsplitter competitions I think threshold are 6x6. And6x9. I'm working on something now and if it works that shoe will fit all. And keep the raw power of hydraulics alive and on top.

Sooo, what ya workin on?

 

[natems361]

The "raw power" of your hydraulic comes from putting more power into it. Try making a hydro splitter that uses a six way wedge and runs off a 3hp engine. Or a 2hp electric motor. Shoot, try running one off a 6hp gas engine.


You are only getting faster by putting two times or more machine into it. That isn't even a comparison.
R

How many times am I going to have to point this out to you?





Mr. HE

????? More power heck yeah not arguing that. Hey it may eat more fuel. And thats your biggest thing an axe doesn't use any. My truck sucks down fuel to should I start delivering wood in a smart car? Lol. I know what your saying less fuel more profit. On 5 gallons of gas I can do 16 cord on that alittle over a dollar a cord I'm not worried about it.

 

[natems361]

Sooo, what ya workin on?

Can not say nothing if it works on my machine I'm going to get a patent andtry to sell it to any party. Timberwolf first since I believe in their product

 

[Como]

So what is the best bet for 30 inch length.

Or just stick with 24"?

 

[owbguy]

So what is the best bet for 30 inch length.

Or just stick with 24"?

how about something like this: All Wood Log Splitters - Ash Series - Milan, MI
28 tons with a 13 second cycle on a 30" ram. not too shabby. Price is less that the TW-5 36" and its more beefy.

The Northstar unit is 36" iirc. You can get the TW-5 in 36" length.

You cannot get a Super Split. 24" is max. I've asked....

 

[EXCALIBER]

I'm out west and from what I've seen the wood sizes you talk about are the exception and not the rule. Growing up we never burned anything bigger than 16" in long, max split or unsplit of 6" and most of it was 3"-4"

Now, in more rural areas you start to see bigger wood sizes, that I have seen for sure. 24" long by 8" split is not uncommon. Often these guys are using huge old stoves or building their own stoves even.

Last time I was looking at buying a stove I only found one that could take a 20" long piece, everything else wanted 16". Maybe because of EPA that wood sizes are being forced down? A lot of the new ones are for 12" wood and I've been finding an increasing market for this size.

You are 100% right about burning what you can get. I've never lived where wood was scarce at all, but we still burned whatever was available. Cottonwood, poplar, fir, pine, cedar, filbert, oak, maple, beech, cheer, plum, alder, eucalyptus, redwood, spruce, and I'm sure I'm forgetting a bunch too. I've burned it all. Some I liked better than others for sure, but when dry it all kept the house warm.



Mr. HE

You sure your in the west? Except for the city's it is pretty much all rural in the west? What brand of stoves are you looking at that only will take a 12" piece of wood as the norm? From just a quick search on the net I found almost every maker of stove starts at 16" length and goes up from there. Interesting to mention none of the stove makers other than Blaze King say anything about max wood diameter for their stoves to burn correctly. All of these are newer stoves and almost all in there lines are EPA rated. My Blaze King has a 4.32 cu ft firebox, how big do you need?

Lopi 18-24"
Jutol 16-24 only one baby apartment model that is set at 12" length the F 370
Pacific energy 18-20"
Alderlea 18-20"
True North 18"
Blaze King 16-23"

 

[Como]

how about something like this: All Wood Log Splitters - Ash Series - Milan, MI
28 tons with a 13 second cycle on a 30" ram. not too shabby. Price is less that the TW-5 36" and its more beefy.

The Northstar unit is 36" iirc. You can get the TW-5 in 36" length.

You cannot get a Super Split. 24" is max. I've asked....

Unfortunately it is $8,000, you pay a lot lot more for a few extra inches.

This Northstar is the sort of same as a SS price wise.NorthStar Horizontal Log Splitter — 32-Ton, 270cc | Log Splitters | Northern Tool + Equipment

 

[CUCV]

I figured but had to try... best of luck with that, seriously. PM me some time if you want I've got a couple patents pending at my day job. It's not all its cracked up to be and may cost you more money than its worth unless its truely revolutionary. I've worked on some designs that the company won't patent (one of them for the better part of 10 years) because that will show or competition, what we are doing, why and how. The competitions would have to cough up couple hundred grand to even get a chance to disect them, all the machines in the field run near 24/7. It may be worth working with a lawyer to come up with a discloser form to use when talking with Timberwolf and others.

Can not say nothing if it works on my machine I'm going to get a patent andtry to sell it to any party. Timberwolf first since I believe in their product

 

[natems361]

I figured but had to try... best of luck with that, seriously. PM me some time if you want I've got a couple patents pending at my day job. It's not all its cracked up to be and may cost you more money than its worth unless its truely revolutionary. I've worked on some designs that the company won't patent (one of them for the better part of 10 years) because that will show or competition, what we are doing, why and how. The competitions would have to cough up couple hundred grand to even get a chance to disect them, all the machines in the field run near 24/7. It may be worth working with a lawyer to come up with a discloser form to use when talking with Timberwolf and others.

Thanks. I have never pm before please give me a pm I will reply. And yes if this idea works I cannot see anyone not wanting it. From ho to the pro. It is all I have been thinking about. Trying to work on all the what ifs in my head before I begin the build.

 

[Circle B MN]

I wouldn't get too excited. I am working on converting my SS to run on one of these......

<img src="http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f292/vcblick1/flux_capacitor.jpg">
I figure I can use it to jump start the SS into a state of perpetual motion. If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 splits per minute... you're gonna see some serious ****.


So much for "the raw power of hydraulics alive and on top".....






Psssst....You do know that is a flux capacitor, eh..? :msp_thumbup:

 

[Dozer Man]

Best Idea Yet

I never thought of converting the "Flux Capacitor" into a wood splitter power supply!! LMAO

Wonder what the towing capacity of a Delorean is???

 

[natems361]

R

I wouldn't get too excited. I am working on converting my SS to run on one of these......

<img src="http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f292/vcblick1/flux_capacitor.jpg">
I figure I can use it to jump start the SS into a state of perpetual motion. If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 splits per minute... you're gonna see some serious ****.


So much for "the raw power of hydraulics alive and on top".....






Psssst....You do know that is a flux capacitor, eh..? :msp_thumbup:

are you going have it run on banana peels and coffee grinds. An eco friendly splitter, now there's an oxymoron.. lol

 

[Dozer Man]

No Slow Motion

I bought one of the SpeedPro kinetic log splitters from TSC. Yes they are having some issues with some of the machines. But, mine is operating fine and hopefully Speeco is making things right in the very near future.

Issues aside...there's a reason why me and many others have stuck it out with Speeco. We don't want to spend any more than we already have, for one thing. But most of all...We don't want to go back to splitting in slow motion!!

I have a homemade hydro my old man built 35 years ago. It has a 36" x4.5" cyl with a 3" cyl. rod. We hook it up to a 135hp bulldozer for a power source. Put the dozer to 1/3 throttle and it is very fast...for a hydro anyways. I can run a 4way wedge on it if I want. But what I've found is it is best suited for busting the big stuff (24"-40" rounds) so they are manageble to pick up and put on the SpeedPro.

If you haven't run a kinetic/mechanical/flywheel splitter, such as the SS,DR,Speedpro, then you have no idea of the production capabilities of them. Watching the videos doesn't do them justice. It looks like the operators are moving really fast when in reality they are only working at a walking pace. I can split in 20 min with my speedpro what would take 40 min with my hydro. With the sawing already done, using the speedpro my wife and I can split and load my full size shortbed pickup in 20 minutes while working at a normal steady pace. It will hold just over 1/3 cord.

 

[mikereynolds]

to each your own I say

I have a SS-type eplitter (DR Rapidfire) I also have a home made gilatine monster with 13 hp Honda and a conveyor, a home made Bobcat spliiter and a 24 ton store bought (Yard Machine). I like them all. They each serve me a purpose. The SS is fast, the gilatine spltis faster than most hydraulic units but I have to bend over too much, The 24 ton is slow but handy albeit rarley used anymore since I got the Rapid Fire and the skidsteer splitter turns monster rounds into managable nooldes to be split on the SS which is easier on the aging body. They all get used but the SS produces the most firewood consistantly.
Until you use a SS-type splitter it's hard to imagine how handy it is. So I'll tell you what, come on over to my yard and split me up a couple cord and try out the machines and see for yourself!
I would love to own a TW with log lift and 4-way but the $$$ always gets in my way (maybe someday). I was however able to squeeze out the (less than) 3K for the Rapidfire and glad I did.