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I was just checking up on Treebot

That sounded like too much money, but I checked up on it. Yep. He was right. But I was working for $1 per day in 1970. So it would take me a long time to get to $20K.

Here is a good reference to figure out inflation:

http://stats.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm

Here is what I put in, and I got the previously posted information:

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Treebot, I think you are spot on with your opinion and your posts.

What gets me is that even though it's more than obvious, people don't want to see it.

The devaluing of the work force, the overload of all social services, etc....


The question is not what's happening, but how much more can the country take before the entire infrastructure collapses.
 
Treebot, I think you are spot on with your opinion and your posts.

What gets me is that even though it's more than obvious, people don't want to see it.

The devaluing of the work force, the overload of all social services, etc....


The question is not what's happening, but how much more can the country take before the entire infrastructure collapses.

The question is when are we going to do something about it?
 
I totally disagree with those that state that kids are lazy due their upbringing. In my opinion, you are not seeing the intelligent and motivated kids that are out there. In other words, you are picking groundies essentially from the dregs. Any motivated kid, with any intelligence isn't going to be slaving away as a groundie for $8-10-12/hr. They will be at college or university or trade school.

We create our own problem. If you want talented people, you need to pay (wages and perks) that compete with the places where those talented/motivated people go out of school.

As an example, my daughter has just graduated from university. Was very motivated, paid her own way with scholarships/part time jobs, was a student leader, member of the university senate yada yada yada (Daddy's got to brag once in a while). As a filler job until her internship comes up, she goes to work for the local provincial representative. She makes the same as me and all she does is answer phones and write responses to constituent letters. Her friend, a social work grad, is getting $25/hr right out of school, to start as a social worker, plus all the perks as a gov't employee. The fact they can't physically do the job is irrelevant, as there are many strong fit kids in the same situation.

I think the other factor to consider is the competition you are getting from the military. How many potential tree workers are going to the military due to their massive recruiting drive?

To my way of thinking employees are like customers. If you want a better class of customer, you move into neighbourhoods where they exist. If you want a better class of employee, you seek out that cohort that fits the need.
 
There is no doubt that we are working with the dregs. When discussing this issue with other folks, I have always said that those people who could get a better job than this, already did. Those that can't hold a job, come to me for work.

It's sad, but true. Even if I paid $30 per hour, I would only end up hiring the best help away from my competitors. I would not be elevating the quality of people seeking to enter the business.

That would take a very deep change in our economy and social structure.
 
15-20 years ago, when ArborAge was still worth reading, there was an opinion article about professionalism in the trade. The same ripped shirt, holey pants rant I do today.

The author said that we are seen by many in the public as semi-skilled labor, a few steps above the trash pickers. Some see no difference between the people who personify the stereotype and those who show up in a eatup pickup and old megadeath concert shirt.

Wisconsin has it a bit better since we have 2 very good arbo and one UF program at colleges and university. Lots of bright young faces in at the WAA meetings.
 
I totally disagree with those that state that kids are lazy due their upbringing. In my opinion, you are not seeing the intelligent and motivated kids that are out there. In other words, you are picking groundies essentially from the dregs. Any motivated kid, with any intelligence isn't going to be slaving away as a groundie for $8-10-12/hr. They will be at college or university or trade school.

We create our own problem. If you want talented people, you need to pay (wages and perks) that compete with the places where those talented/motivated people go out of school.

As an example, my daughter has just graduated from university. Was very motivated, paid her own way with scholarships/part time jobs, was a student leader, member of the university senate yada yada yada (Daddy's got to brag once in a while). As a filler job until her internship comes up, she goes to work for the local provincial representative. She makes the same as me and all she does is answer phones and write responses to constituent letters. Her friend, a social work grad, is getting $25/hr right out of school, to start as a social worker, plus all the perks as a gov't employee. The fact they can't physically do the job is irrelevant, as there are many strong fit kids in the same situation.

I think the other factor to consider is the competition you are getting from the military. How many potential tree workers are going to the military due to their massive recruiting drive?

To my way of thinking employees are like customers. If you want a better class of customer, you move into neighbourhoods where they exist. If you want a better class of employee, you seek out that cohort that fits the need.

So essentially we were all the dregs of society at least early in our
career ehhhh? :monkey: I make no defense to that but have popped
a couple high fluting sob's noses for looking down them at me. I make
an honest living they usually can't say that!
 
Sad but true

Start with a large fortune and piss it away funding your tree service.

Lol. I know at least two that have done just that. Its sad but true that people actually buy the fake image thing like that - it does seem to work somewhat though. People dont know that all they really hired is the same pickup truck hack - just fortified with shiney eqipment. All they see is the fact that job is done and they couldnt have done it themselves.
 
No Rope, not at all.

As I stated, you already have a better job than working for me, so you're not in that labor pool.

Come on up to KC, and I'll see if I can afford you.

I meant when we were all newby's KC ehhhh:monkey:
I may make that trip pard what I really need is slow time
covered but most times we are all in that same boat.
I came that way about a year ago heading to Nebraska
for a aunts funeral was going to stop by tree bots but
just wanted to get on home. I am cheap if I have nothing
to do but I do try to stay busy and I have effectively
been able to schedule some work to make it to Jan!
Who knows after that it could be we get Ice this year
like you did for the last two and then I will be rollin$:cheers:
 
we are seen as semi skilled labor because many enter this trade with a pickup truck & no biz sense!! well its gonna get worse!!

as far as kids being hired & drag brush for $8 hr & they should get more or pay em more scenario...... what a bunch of BS, my daughters in college & does all her own stuff just like the poster said....however She will work for $8 hr money is money & this attitude of start me at the top & keep moving me up higher is crazy!!

what happened to Prove yourself, earn it & the start out at the bottom & work your way up attitude?? they dont think that way today, it me,me,me & how much $$ I can make, wheres the benefits & how about a company vehicle, etc.. what they dont realize is right now they have loyalty to no one but their pocketbook & themselves.......somewhere down the road they`re gonna need a job/reference & they`ll see where that attitude gets em!!!


LXT.............
 
Seems like this is a regular problem here. I see similar posts all the time about finding workers.

I agree with the posts about most kids being garbage as far as laborers. I can think of 2 or 3 of my friends that would be worth a sh!t as a groundie. Most of kids my age run fast and far away from hard work.

When you are paying people 8 to 12 bucks to do hard manual labor and the job is seasonal, you aren't gonna find a lot of good workers. Period. The tree company I worked for this past summer went through 3 or 4 people in just a few months.
 
LXT, why dont you just fire his a$$ already?

I must have gone through about 18 losers this year, after awhile the firing part is actually quite enjoyable.

Dang I hate to admit it because it makes us sound mean but I agree. One guy I let go was fired from his job before working for me for talking on his cell phone, I swear when I fired him he was on it telling me to hang on while he finished his call. Never seen anyone like him, I liked the guy but he was worthless as hired help. Dope heads and drunks make it hard to find team players that could one day be coach. Good luck.
 
LXT, why dont you just fire his a$$ already?

I must have gone through about 18 losers this year, after awhile the firing part is actually quite enjoyable.

I know it is hard to find a good worker but if you have too much of a
pattern of firing the problem could lie with your management skill!
I am not saying it did, does, just that trends are what is looked at
to determine problems and 18 workers fired is a trend toward you
possibly mismanaging authority! Sometimes we have to help a borderline
worker become productive by helping him understand we want his help
and pointing out his strong suits and explaining his poor and asking him
to get on board instead of alienating him!
 
I hate to fire people

Firing people too soon just repeats the same cycle over and over and over. I figure that if they continue to improve, then it is worth my time. If I keep having to repeat myself, and the same mistakes keep getting made... they're hopeless. Move On

I try to work with the losers as much as possible; I figure if they're not a good worker to begin with, it's probably because no one ever taught them how to be one. If they try hard, I figure I've got a winner-in-the-works, rather than the loser they seem to be.

I end up wasting a lot of my time trying to teach them how to be a better employee. It only works a very small percentage of the time, and then I am forced to go through the selection process again: looking through the job applications... making the phone calls... interviewing the applicants... doing all the paperwork to set up a new employee... begin all the training over again.

Presumably, just to find out that the next employee in line was no better nor worse than the one I just fired. Except that now I have wasted all of that time training another employee.
 
Speaking of firing people, it looks like I need to fire my office assistant. Every single day I have to ask her "How long have you been working here?" when she cannot figure out some simple task on the computer.

She only worked two days last week. Absent today, she wanted me to bail her out of jail (that's another whole story!). She told me she needed $200 over the phone, but it turned into $550 before she got out of jail. Strangely enough, even her own father won't bail her out of jail. I wonder what that should be telling me?

Oh yeah, she failed to put a $100 bill into the cashbox yesterday, and hasn't logged any cash transactions for the last two weeks. While speaking to her over the jail telephone this morning, she denied ever being given that one hundred dollar bill. Later, we found the bill under her desk calendar with a couple of other sticky notes attached to it. Well, at least she didn't steal the money. She just didn't do her job.

Incidentally, I only gave her enough bail money to be covered by her current wages.
 
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I pay a little better so I get a little better. Only fired 5 or 6 guys in the past 22 years. And my retention is good. I always do something for everybody at Xmas and I have even co-signed a car note or two. It cost to keep the good ones.
 

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