Dolmar 5100 Cylinder Problem

[Javelin]

I somewhat agree! It is not that stihl or husky are better product I use to sell husky now I do the jonsered instead! But when it comes to marketing Stihl and husky dominate! The only other premium saw with name recognition is echo! Dolmar is working on this and it takes time! They are still doing the word of mouth thing which is good just not fast! As far as problems I am and have been treated very well! And since I have worked for a distribator in the past that I am not proud of I do know there are some bad distribators out there! Which in turn can sour a dealer and ultimatly the end user! By the way that is not totally accurate on stihl parts I find myself waiting on stuff often!

 

[04ultra]

Sachs has been gone for YEARS

What is a Sachs ????





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[weimedog]

Sachs the company has been around for a while in different forms. They have produced a variety of things from motorcycles, mopeds, chainsaws, to what they do now ..produce clutches and suspension components. Husqvarna motorcycles and others have used Sachs rear shock aborbers for years...But I'm pretty certain any chainsaw realated stuff is now all Dolmar. I'm not certain of the relationship between Sachs and Dolmar..they were related at somepoint. Also Sachs was a early "Wankle Motor" developer and manufacturer and I think(but not certain) they may have been the origional. A question for those with Wikipeda access I guess,

 

[indiansprings]

They may have gone on for years, but are they growing market share, is profitability up, it takes both to have the money to compete in marketing and new item development, you think they pump the money into development like stihl and husky, Winchester used to be around for years, now the rifle and shotguns are just a licensed name, produced by a european company, Olin, the ammo division is the only truly Winchester product, this came as a result of poorer and poorer quality product from 1964 on, lack of marketing and product development. Sooner or later it'll catch up with you, remember when K Mart dominated retail.

I'm not saying they are bad product, I'm saying by not practicing good sound business policies and ensuring distributor and dealer compliance they will suffer greatly in this economy. The customer has to be #1, sometimes even when they are dead damn wrong, you can't be jerked around for days/weeks waiting on warranty approval etc. If these saws are set lean and a higher percentage are failing than other models how hard is to set out a tech bulletin to have saws properly set before going out the door, and calling customers to come back in with those already in service for a free tune.
Corporate has to follow up to make sure distro's and dealers are in compliance. Not so hard to do, but it takes manpower, does Dolmar have the infastructure in place to do in the US like Stihl and Husky? Piss Poor Planning equals Piss Poor Performance.

 

[04ultra]

Oh this Sachs ......I seem to have plenty of them old saws around ...





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[PES+]

I give up

The Wankel was a Sachs design and they marketed a chainsaw and a couple of lawn mowers and some snowmobile engines.....Sachs also was building mopeds and small motorcycles as well as industrial conventional 2 strokes that were used in snowmobiles and other applications like generators and pumps.

Makita is the parent of Dolmar now.

 

[BIGBORE577]

Sachs? I think they are over on 5th Avenue.

 

[BIGBORE577]

Oh this Sachs ......I seem to have plenty of them old saws around ...

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Cuz you are old.

 

[04ultra]

Cuz you are old.

My hip is telling me that .......





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[Kemper]

Wow! what a thread this has turned out to be.
I guess it depends on what area your from when it comes to service,sales and parts, here in iowa i have 9 dealers within 60 miles from me,and Dolmar is a well known brand around here,i for one have not had any problems with parts for my saws or any defects as has been mentioned here on this site.

Maybe their sales are stronger in the other countries than they are here?

I also believe that sooner or later all saw companys will allow saws to be sold and shipped on the internet then lookout small town dealers,it will hurt all of them trying to compete in this day and age.

 

[joatmon]

Summary Judgement

Tommie,

I'll save you a little typing so you can get back to Tony and his world. I know this is what you want to tell Niko and all the NE346XP and 5100 fanboys here on AS.

The MS290 will have more sales than the NE346XP and 5100 combined. Last year, this year, next year, or even fifteen years ago with the 029. It doesn't matter.

That extra pound or two the 290 sports doesn't mean alot when the saw in laying on the log cutting rounds. What matters is:
- Does it start?
- Can I get service?
- Is it reliable?
- Will it last?
- Is it a value?

Now, taking an educated guess here, but the 029/MS290 has been a great cash cow for Stihl. I wonder how many pro saws they would sell if they didn't have the "homeowner" line of saws, blowers, trimmer, etc.? I wonder if they'd even be in the saw business if they didn't have the "homeowner" line to carry them.

Now, don't get me wrong. Low weight and big balls appeal to me as well as most on this site. Somebody mentioned "win on Saturday and sell on Monday." It was originally "win on Sunday", but riddle me this. You suppose ole Matt sitting on the apron at Daytona on Sunday eve in the rain and being told he'd won the race led to a banner day yesterday (Monday) at Ford dealerships? Ha.

No, today, most consumers are a bit more savy when spending more than a few dollars. Cutting fast rounds leads to saw sales? Ha.

What do they want?
1. Dealership that's clean.
2. Dealership that serves tepid Folgers.
3. Dealership that's been in business a long time.
4. Brand that has presence, like national marketing.
5. Dealership that plays Elvis music.
6. Dealership that has product on shelf.
7. Dealership that services its product.
8. Dealership that has low, low prices.
9. Dealership that starts your saw and demonstates it.

Now, add the numbers of the things that matter to most consumers. Divide by the Stihl hat size you wear. Round the result to the nearest whole integer and by magic, the answer appears.

I remain,

Joat

 

[04ultra]

Tommie,

I'll save you a little typing so you can get back to Tony and his world. I know this is what you want to tell Niko and all the NE346XP and 5100 fanboys here on AS.

The MS290 will have more sales than the NE346XP and 5100 combined. Last year, this year, next year, or even fifteen years ago with the 029. It doesn't matter.

That extra pound or two the 290 sports doesn't mean alot when the saw in laying on the log cutting rounds. What matters is:
- Does it start?
- Can I get service?
- Is it reliable?
- Will it last?
- Is it a value?

Now, taking an educated guess here, but the 029/MS290 has been a great cash cow for Stihl. I wonder how many pro saws they would sell if they didn't have the "homeowner" line of saws, blowers, trimmer, etc.? I wonder if they'd even be in the saw business if they didn't have the "homeowner" line to carry them.

Now, don't get me wrong. Low weight and big balls appeal to me as well as most on this site. Somebody mentioned "win on Saturday and sell on Monday." It was originally "win on Sunday", but riddle me this. You suppose ole Matt sitting on the apron at Daytona on Sunday eve in the rain and being told he'd won the race led to a banner day yesterday (Monday) at Ford dealerships? Ha.

No, today, most consumers are a bit more savy when spending more than a few dollars. Cutting fast rounds leads to saw sales? Ha.

What do they want?
1. Dealership that's clean.
2. Dealership that serves tepid Folgers.
3. Dealership that's been in business a long time.
4. Brand that has presence, like national marketing.
5. Dealership that plays Elvis music.
6. Dealership that has product on shelf.
7. Dealership that services its product.
8. Dealership that has low, low prices.
9. Dealership that starts your saw and demonstates it.

Now, add the numbers of the things that matter to most consumers. Divide by the Stihl hat size you wear. Round the result to the nearest whole integer and by magic, the answer appears.

I remain,

Joat

Priceless !!!




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[windthrown]

joatman, you are just adding to the 290 and Stihl:

Conspiracy!

Since you are speaking for Tommy (Elvis) Hall, here is a rebuttal from the SawTroll perspective above the arctic circle:

I bet that Tommy Hall paid you to write that post! And he was in turn backed by Stihl, in an effort to undermind Dolmar and Husqvarna chainsaw sales! It is an obvious plot to mezmorize the AS readers into thinking that the 290 is actually a good saw, and worth the money for what is does and can do. And to convince all those anonymous readers that punch into Arboristsite, but never log in or become members of the sawing clan here. In reality, Stihl is just selling boat anchors to the unwiley of chainsaw customers and using smoke and mirrors (and posts like yours) to sell more chainsaws. That saw has terrible AV and has crappy power to weight ratio. Its all plastic, hard to rebuild, and why would anyone really want to buy a chainsaw like that, when they can buy something far far more reliable, ergonomic, and easy to use???

Oh yes, and I Stihl my (ex)290!

 

[SawTroll]

That extra pound or two the 290 sports doesn't mean alot when the saw in laying on the log cutting rounds.

More than two lbs, vs. the 346xp....

 

[weimedog]

Hard to beat the punch per buck of that MS290..

MS290, 56.5cc,3.8HP, 13.0LBS (No bar) $359-$379
MS270, 50.0cc, 3.4HP, 11.7Lbs (No Bar) $400plus


Dolmar PS 5100S, 50.7cc, 3.9HP, 11.2Lbs (No Bar) $400plus.
Dolmar PS 510, 50.7cc, 3.3HP, 12.1LBS (No Bar) $350plus

Husqvarna 450e, 50.2cc, 3.2HP, 11.33Lbs (No bar); $350 plus
Husqvarna 455 Rancher, 55.5, 3.5HP, 13.2Lbs (No Bar); $350-$400ebay(new)
Husqvarna 353,51.7, 3.3HP, 11.0Lbs (No bar); $400 Plus


So what saw can you buy new for around $375 with 3.8 or more HP?

See..the real conspiracy is dropping this crap all around the web about those 5100s issues to dry up demand for those Dolmar 5100s hot rod saws..then the dealers and distributer will let the "new" price of a Dolmar5100s drop down in the $350 Range or less and then all the CAD "enthusiasts" snap them up for a low price!

 

[volks-man]

Now, don't get me wrong. Low weight and big balls appeal to me


as well as most on this site.

Joat

 

[04ultra]

Hard to beat the punch per buck of that MS290..

MS290, 56.5cc,3.8HP, 13.0LBS (No bar) $359-$379
MS270, 50.0cc, 3.4HP, 11.7Lbs (No Bar) $400plus


Dolmar PS 5100S, 50.7cc, 3.9HP, 11.2Lbs (No Bar) $400plus.
Dolmar PS 510, 50.7cc, 3.3HP, 12.1LBS (No Bar) $350plus

Husqvarna 450e, 50.2cc, 3.2HP, 11.33Lbs (No bar); $350 plus
Husqvarna 455 Rancher, 55.5, 3.5HP, 13.2Lbs (No Bar); $350-$400ebay(new)
Husqvarna 353,51.7, 3.3HP, 11.0Lbs (No bar); $400 Plus


So what saw can you buy new for around $375 with 3.8 or more HP?

I see a lot of tree services running the 029/290's .....They seem to hold up really good ...



Around here the 5100's are selling at 375.00 out the door tax included 18" ..




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[joatmon]

More than two lbs, vs. the 346xp....

Niko,

Well, I'm not interested enough to check the specs or go to one of them German websites that test saws, so, I'll agree.

It really matters little to most homeowners in the USA, as I suspect we are a heartier lot than what you're used to.

If the weight of the 290 bothers you, trade it for a lightweight, less powerful Husky, or my personal favorite suggestion, hit the gym.

I may cast my gaze past the big, ported saws this weekend and play the FarmBoss song. Any of you lightweight Husky fellas want to sing the saprano part?

Joat

 

[THALL10326]

Tommie,

I'll save you a little typing so you can get back to Tony and his world. I know this is what you want to tell Niko and all the NE346XP and 5100 fanboys here on AS.

The MS290 will have more sales than the NE346XP and 5100 combined. Last year, this year, next year, or even fifteen years ago with the 029. It doesn't matter.

That extra pound or two the 290 sports doesn't mean alot when the saw in laying on the log cutting rounds. What matters is:
- Does it start?
- Can I get service?
- Is it reliable?
- Will it last?
- Is it a value?

Now, taking an educated guess here, but the 029/MS290 has been a great cash cow for Stihl. I wonder how many pro saws they would sell if they didn't have the "homeowner" line of saws, blowers, trimmer, etc.? I wonder if they'd even be in the saw business if they didn't have the "homeowner" line to carry them.

Now, don't get me wrong. Low weight and big balls appeal to me as well as most on this site. Somebody mentioned "win on Saturday and sell on Monday." It was originally "win on Sunday", but riddle me this. You suppose ole Matt sitting on the apron at Daytona on Sunday eve in the rain and being told he'd won the race led to a banner day yesterday (Monday) at Ford dealerships? Ha.

No, today, most consumers are a bit more savy when spending more than a few dollars. Cutting fast rounds leads to saw sales? Ha.

What do they want?
1. Dealership that's clean.
2. Dealership that serves tepid Folgers.
3. Dealership that's been in business a long time.
4. Brand that has presence, like national marketing.
5. Dealership that plays Elvis music.
6. Dealership that has product on shelf.
7. Dealership that services its product.
8. Dealership that has low, low prices.
9. Dealership that starts your saw and demonstates it.

Now, add the numbers of the things that matter to most consumers. Divide by the Stihl hat size you wear. Round the result to the nearest whole integer and by magic, the answer appears.

I remain,

Joat

Now I wouldn't say all that to my buddy Troll or anyone else, just not my style to boast in such terms, yes I'm lying my azz off,hehe. I would say it more like this. Stihl focused on market activity many years ago concerning who is buying the saws. They found the homeowners were a much bigger segmet than first thought. They also seen the decline of the so called lumberjack in the USA. They jumped into the homeowner market with products designed well in advance. The 290 type saw wasn't built on a whim but after years of market study. They for the longest time had no homeowner type saws to offer the public. They built their reputation in pro saws over the years and when they made availble the 290 along with a slew of other homeowner saws the public scooped them up like wild fire. The timing was perfecto.

They, the public, not the pro user, now had a low cost saw with the big Stihl name on it and got with it the same service and back up Stihl pro saws have. That handed Stihl a whole new market and they've yet to slow down in it. The 290 type saws in the market they were made to satisfy has done extremely well.

Stihl does something no other saw manufacture does. They forecast as much as 8 years down the road or as many would say into the future. They spend millions doing this but in doing so they are always ready and have product to satisfy market demand. In other words Stihl does its homework much better than any other saw manufacture in the world. The rest can't do what Stihl does because they have stock holders with their hands out all the time. Stihl has no one to answer to but Stihl.

I do agree with your list Joat. It seems to be and has been all along what keeps Stihl where they are. Everyone cept Stihl has tried every way possible to gain market. Husky went net, still are with the small stuff, Dolmar countinues wasting its time undercutting everyone in price, only hurting themselves overall. They have gained no more name reconition doing that, in fact those low prices may well cause some to think hmmmm, must not be much if they're that cheap. They should up thier prices and make some money to market with. Surviving on the cheap only lasts so long. Stihl continues to do busines as usual like they have for decades. Make a product, market it, deliver it and sell it, stand behind it after the sale, simple as that. No thrills, just business as always.

 

[rahtreelimbs]

All this gack back and forth about which saw is faster is amusing. I used to get caught up in all this but came to the realization that it is all moot. The difference is so small that it doesn't at all matter. If your happy with the saw and have a dealer like Thall's what is not to like???