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Yes you can use a a frame but we use a knuckle boom loader that I made that fits on a f450 ford that I have or we stock pile and have trucks come in with loaders
 
OH MY GAWD!

Nobody, not nobody talks about logging wilderness. You'd have to use miserywhips, you'd have to take it clean out to a road outside of the wilderness boundary, you'd have every treehugger and hiker-- maybe even me, chained up to the scraggly trees up there to stop you.

You could not "log" a wilderness area, legally. Even if you "wanted" to. Not only would you be paying out some money, the people who let you do so would probably get an unpaid vacation.

Please explain when and how you logged in a wilderness area? Does the Mark Twain forest have a wilderness area? Or are you now talking about trail maintenance, using misery whips?

Okay boys, we're on the fourth or fifth round and I am a happy drunk. I'll now buy and go home with an empty wallet. Tarzantrees, I'll share my Yukon.

Yukon is too sweet for me, but after reading this thread, anything would suffice!
 
Sustainable may just be another 'buzzword'. Lets face it, the trees are gonna be around alot longer than we are. This doesn't give us the right to hammer the resource, but it has been shown repeatedly that nature can look after itself regardless of what we do. We might screw it up in the meantime, but not in the long run.
In 1895, Morley Roberts decribes what it was like to walk thru a Redwood forest in his book, "The Western Avernus."

'And suddenly the path grew level, and I came out in the aisle of a forest cathedral.

I was in the Redwoods, the most majestic of all trees, save their elder brethren, the gigantic sequoias.

These were huge and solemn, some ten feet and more in diameter at the butt, rising bare of branches to two hundred feet above me, where they spread out in thick crowns, that darkened yet more the obscure and misty air of night.

My road still ran thru the redwoods, and if they were solemn and weird at night, they were more beautiful in the daytime.

These had grown for so many centuries, and had such great life in them, they were so grand and solemn and king-like, that I felt they had personality.

It seemed nothing short of murder to hew and saw them down for planks and post-making, for house-building, and shelter for little men, who lusted to destroy them in an hour the slow, sweet growth of their unnumbered years.

But men come and destroy them, as barbarians in the pathetic, silent senate-house, and nature lies wounded and bleeding.'
(Crescent City)
 
I guess that would make Randy, Bob, and maybe a few others on here along with myself that have slew some old growth Redwoods, Barbarians? In that case, I am proud to be a Barbarian!:msp_smile:
 
Something to be proud of.


Some differences in animal powered vs machine ectraction.

- Start at the back of the unit & work foward...hard to skid thru slash.

- If skidding tree length it is limbed in the woods

- It is not worth the effort to deck very high, Self loader can move faster than it
takes to deck more than 4 or 5 high

- Production is not always the 1st priority

Some things in common

- Directonal falling is used alot

- People have fun out there

- A true professional is good at it
 
Wow I guess you don't have to have good reading comprehension or spelling skills to get a degree from Purdue! Lol
And plagiarism is generally frowned on and sources are usually given in higher education. Lol
Maybe that degree and millions of board feet are as real as those ten dollar a day draft horses. :dizzy::dizzy:
 
At one time, long before evil clear cutting came on the scene much of the western half of the continent was covered in old growth Sequoia. Now it just exists in a narrow band on the western slope of the Sierras.
I wonder what evil man made act we can blame the lose of those millions of acres of old growth red wood on.
Some people think that just because we wanna harvest trees efficiently that we hate trees and the environment. That is like saying a rancher hates cows or a sheep herder hates sheep.
I don't want the forest to go away or even decrease. I want it to increase and thrive. But I don't buy all the knee jerk emotional lies spread by those who want to destroy everything but themselves.
 
I guess that would make Randy, Bob, and maybe a few others on here along with myself that have slew some old growth Redwoods, Barbarians? In that case, I am proud to be a Barbarian!:msp_smile:
Yes, anyone who cuts a redwood is a Barbarian, however anyone hewing the mighty Canadian sugar maple is purer than the driven snow! Lol
John
 
Oh yeah.
Take your coors lite and go sit on the porch John.


Us barbarians get the seats nearest the stove, within reach of the whiskey. Who wants a cigar?

Lol, not a problem, my porch is made of redwood and I'm chasing tequila with the Coors lite. Is that barbarian enough for ya? lol
John
BTW, don't you think you should be staying on topic???
John
 
Lol, not a problem, my porch is made of redwood and I'm chasing tequila with the Coors lite. Is that barbarian enough for ya? lol
John
BTW, don't you think you should be staying on topic???
John

Kinda wandered off, it happens.

John, you do the best you can, with what you have to work with.

Sustainable logging is measured in time.
It depends on the operator. How many hours in one day, were you able to sustain logging?
 
Wow I guess you don't have to have good reading comprehension or spelling skills to get a degree from Purdue! Lol
And plagiarism is generally frowned on and sources are usually given in higher education. Lol
Maybe that degree and millions of board feet are as real as those ten dollar a day draft horses. :dizzy::dizzy:
Well as usual your showing your ignorance! Anything that you do not know about and dosnt conform to your ways you try to cut down ! I explained to you the cost of operation, and you call me a liar when you have no Idea what your talking about It must make you real proud to be so intelligent but I think you show your self for what you certainly what you are ! So what do you think it cost to feed a horse shoe or do you know anything about it at all ! So as I said before beat your chest slap your back and be the manly man you are because thats the only thing you can do
 
Sustainable may just be another 'buzzword'. Lets face it, the trees are gonna be around alot longer than we are. This doesn't give us the right to hammer the resource, but it has been shown repeatedly that nature can look after itself regardless of what we do. We might screw it up in the meantime, but not in the long run.
In 1895, Morley Roberts decribes what it was like to walk thru a Redwood forest in his book, "The Western Avernus."

'And suddenly the path grew level, and I came out in the aisle of a forest cathedral.

I was in the Redwoods, the most majestic of all trees, save their elder brethren, the gigantic sequoias.

These were huge and solemn, some ten feet and more in diameter at the butt, rising bare of branches to two hundred feet above me, where they spread out in thick crowns, that darkened yet more the obscure and misty air of night.

My road still ran thru the redwoods, and if they were solemn and weird at night, they were more beautiful in the daytime.

These had grown for so many centuries, and had such great life in them, they were so grand and solemn and king-like, that I felt they had personality.

It seemed nothing short of murder to hew and saw them down for planks and post-making, for house-building, and shelter for little men, who lusted to destroy them in an hour the slow, sweet growth of their unnumbered years.

But men come and destroy them, as barbarians in the pathetic, silent senate-house, and nature lies wounded and bleeding.'
(Crescent City)

Well that says it all as I said before if that timber had been managed correctly then maybe you guys would still be in big timber you wont see that again! It defiantly wont be clear cut and you people can cry in your pretzels all you want but it wont change the fact that what you have had, you have destroyed ! where is the science wheres your proof that your way is the only way! You say you want too here about horse logging and as soon as other people post you guys start in and try cutting them down The trees your thinning now will never be the trees that were there and you say Im in the minority but I think in reality you folks are in the minority and thats why your so intent on proving every other way is wrong other than yours ! And I know you folks weren't responsible personally for most of this, the problems is you want to hold on to these ideas that destroyed your way of life . And all the name calling and nick picking will never bring that back ! Logging will continue but in a way different way than your use too ! And I not trying to win any essay or writing contest so if you dont like the way I wright then dont look at my posts!!!!!!!!!
 
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Question about horse logging.

I've been hearing a lot about horselogging in the wilderness areas. I think it's a great idea but I have a question.

Since everything you pack into a wilderness area has to be packed back out, what do you do with the horse poop? I mean, the horses eat grain and hay, none of which is a native plant in the wilderness area. The horses, being normal horses, poop. The poop contains seeds. If the seeds take root wouldn't that be a violation of the non-native plant species regulation?

So what's the answer here? Lot's of buckets? Really big diapers? Poop sterilization procedures? I'm really curious about this.
 

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