Controversial Dealings

[spacemule]

And yeah, I have been a part of the ####storms in the past. Particularly the brad fin fiasco. This is a tacit recognition that I was wrong to get involved.

 

[Slamm]

Never really advocated sweeping it under the rug, but the noose party thing is kind of bad.
If the other party doesn't respond, that means he is guilty? Kind of like a witch hunt.

If he does, then the mob splits and there is a small civil war?

Maybe if the thing is isolated to the parties involved, and a moderator?

The moderator asks pertinant questions, and maybe introduce other past bad dealings, and keep
all of the childish bull to a minimum.

Actually, it could be relocated to an actual and potentially very popular sub-forum, kind of a
"People's Court", heck I would even love to be the judge on that one.

I always insist on hearing both sides before forming an opinion.

Slamm could be the district attorney.

Or I could be the court appointed defending attorney, if the accused doesn't want to actively
participate.

When the thread winds down, the members could be the jury, and vote in a poll.

Of course any punitive damage could only be limited to the respect of the forum members here,
unless both parties agreed to abide by the decision of the members.

Something like that might be interesting.

I will have consider this "pro bono" work, on a case by case basis.

Just out of curiousity, do we get badges or anything? I always wanted to do something where I got a badge, LOL. Will there be metal detectors that we have to walk through at the ArboristSite Courthouse? Just wanted to know if I needed to leave "anything" at home or not.

Sam

 

[Teddy.Scout]

We all, sell most of us have called the kettle black before. Me included!

 

[NORMZILLA44]

There is an argument for every side. I agree lynch mob not a good thing. But I guarantee if somebody here accussed me of, or thought I did something wrong. I would be the first one to stand up for myself, speak for myself, and not let thing's go on without my side of the story. Not saying anybody is right or wrong, just saying certain thing's drug it out, and if somebody was pointing a finger at me, believe me I would want it cleared up now! That being said anybody proven to be a shyster or shady with solid proof! Should be kicke'd off this site without a second thought. There is a hanfull of people I deal with, and trust, and it seem's like this site grew over night with alot of guest's. Alot of new member's to. I have to get to know somebody to trust them. But I do hope this site doesn't get so big, as to overshadow senior member's, and change the original theme. Good guy's good topic's, trust, and fun.

 

[Fish]

I will have consider this "pro bono" work, on a case by case basis.

Just out of curiousity, do we get badges or anything? I always wanted to do something where I got a badge, LOL. Will there be metal detectors that we have to walk through at the ArboristSite Courthouse? Just wanted to know if I needed to leave "anything" at home or not.

Sam

Just leave the Intenz bar home in it's holster!!!!

 

[hanniedog]

Yes Space it is buyer beware but what is wrong with having as much info as possible before doing any business. I believe a feed back thread would be worth the info it provides vs the crap some may put in it.

 

[Fish]

True, when I realized that guy was bringing up something I sold him, saying I screwed him, even though he did not mention who sold it to him, I was still pissed!!!!! If I let it go, my name would likely never have come out, but I was still pissed and would not let it go.

Some other folks might not want to handle it that way, and if they wanted to avoid the fray, that should not rule them guilty.........

I agree, these fights should not be aired here, but if they are, there should be some controls in place.

 

[Teddy.Scout]

Yes Space it is buyer beware but what is wrong with having as much info as possible before doing any business. I believe a feed back thread would be worth the info it provides vs the crap some may put in it.

A thread a feedback?
I can see it now! A person who post a lot will have a posse for pure reason to just post!
Even if my gripe is worthy, I will be slammed by ban-wagoners just because he goes to their church or they think that member is a master saw builder. Haven't we seen it before! Just combine all the BS and Beetch threads and that would be the feedback thread!

 

[MacLaren]

One thing is for sure. It would generate a ton of hits! :msp_scared:

 

[hamish]

The transaction is between two individuals, leave it at that, if you have a problem take it up with the other party, don't bother trying to get support and crying and whineing here. The trading post on AS, ebay etc.....can all be a goat rodeo, sometimes with the midget and sometimes even involves the rodeo clown too.

Yep most dealing with other AS members have been great, a few outstanding, one was just horrific. Oh well such is life, deal with it, or find another means to ##### and moan, my seventeen pennies and a quarters worth.

 

[sawinredneck]

A thread a feedback?
I can see it now! A person who post a lot will have a posse for pure reason to just post!
Even if my gripe is worthy, I will be slammed by ban-wagoners just because he goes to their church or they think that member is a master saw builder. Haven't we seen it before! Just combine all the BS and Beetch threads and that would be the feedback thread!

Nope, seen it done, no conversations allowed, you either say something good about the deal, something bad about the deal that YOU personally took part in, or the post is deleted, PERIOD!

 

[ZeroJunk]

Seems to me that if you don't allow threads on bad deals this site is open season for scam artists.

 

[Teddy.Scout]

Nope, seen it done, no conversations allowed, you either say something good about the deal, something bad about the deal that YOU personally took part in, or the post is deleted, PERIOD!

Ask ropedog and sawgarage how that is working out for them!
Or better yet yet, look how long it takes for a thread to get deleted, and those that would see something before deleted. Look how things are now, not much would change in a thread like that.

 

[o8f150]

personally i don't think this kind of thread should be on here,, any dealings should be done in private,,not in public

 

[sachsmo]

It goes both ways, there are a few shady sellers, as well as shady buyers. If you have a problem with any transaction it is best to ask the other party to help you out.
They will most everytime take the effort to "make it right". If you put them on the defensive right out of the gate, forget about a happy ending.

"you will always catch more flies with honey than vinegar"

Class dismissed.

 

[jus2fat]

Ask ropedog and sawgarage how that is working out for them!
Or better yet yet, look how long it takes for a thread to get deleted, and those that would see something before deleted. Look how things are now, not much would change in a thread like that.

Maybe like on eBay...a one time reply reputation feedback...
If a buyer leaves a negative feedback...the seller has a chance to reply to the neg. feedback

Last I heard, on eBay transactions was that the seller could not leave negative feedback to a buyer
This seems unfair..if it is still the policy..I dunno..if that was done in this example..wouldn't work..!!
It would have to be "even-steven" to both buyer and seller...BUT limited to only ONE post..!!
And No One can post other than the participants in the actual transaction..!!!
AS members and guests can then decide on their own whether to do business with either party

J2F

 

[sawinredneck]

Exactly!
If more discussion is needed to resolve something then the mods can decide whether or not to let them have a cage match to hash it out.

 

[Gologit]

I think it's a good idea to have a venue that allows us to make up our own minds about whether or not a wrong has been done. The only way we can get that information is reading the posts written by the people involved.

I don't like the lynch-mob mentality either but a certain amount of that is probably to be expected. It doesn't speak well of those doing it and I think it demeans us as a group. Maybe the mods could find a way to hold the ankle biting to a minimum and let us judge the whole thing on the conduct of those directly involved.

I've seen many cases on AS where, had we been privy to information regarding scams and untrustworthy members, a lot of grief and monetary loss could have been avoided.

I don't like to see the dirty laundry aired but I think we have a right to look at it if we want...and decide for ourselves.

 

[wampum]

The thing I do not like is 2 guys have a bad deal,it gets in the forum and twenty guys bad mouth the two plus they start bad mouthing each other. Right now there is not
a valid solution to solve these bad deals. Nothing is binding and no one can force one or the other to do the right thing.
Here is an idea that may or may not work,I will throw it out and let you tell me what you think.From now on there will be 2 types of sales,the type that we have always had,
and a new over sighted sale. You can choose which you want to be part of. The old type you live with the results and can not complain about any deal.The new type would be like this:
1. You agree to be part of the system.
2. The system is like a buyer and seller club that has regulations.
3. The regulations are drawn up and voted on by all that want to be members.
4. A panel or jury of our peers will be put in place,the number would be an odd number like 5 or 7 or however you want.
5. Any dispute will be brought up to this board or jury and they will be given all of the facts,they then will resolve the problem with their vote.The majority vote will be in favor
of one party or the other.
6. As a member of this buyer group YOU HAVE TO ABIDE WITH THEIR DECISION.
7.If you do not you will be banned and not allowed to buy or sell anymore on this site.
This is just an idea but I think it may settle a lot of disputes,any ideas or thoughts?Dave

 

[edisto]

I think it's a good idea to have a venue that allows us to make up our own minds about whether or not a wrong has been done. The only way we can get that information is reading the posts written by the people involved.

I don't like the lynch-mob mentality either but a certain amount of that is probably to be expected. It doesn't speak well of those doing it and I think it demeans us as a group. Maybe the mods could find a way to hold the ankle biting to a minimum and let us judge the whole thing on the conduct of those directly involved.

I've seen many cases on AS where, had we been privy to information regarding scams and untrustworthy members, a lot of grief and monetary loss could have been avoided.

I don't like to see the dirty laundry aired but I think we have a right to look at it if we want...and decide for ourselves.

I agree. I think the last 'dust up' was well-handled. The threads were left up long enough to be sure both parties had a chance to have their say, then shut down.

The ankle-biting barristers get an ambulance to chase for a little while, but they are easy enough to ignore.

Can't remember who said it, but there was a brilliant summary in the last one: Don't buy from the seller, and don't sell to the buyer.

A specific thread for such things (ooooh...a sticky?) would just turn into a dogs breakfast, or drive the mods crazy trying to keep it from turning into one.

Having the mods act as arbiters is an even worse idea.