543 will be a flop

[moody]

Yep, Stihl really needed a lighter and less bulky alternative to the MS261, Husky not so much to the 550xp. I assume the reason Husky also did it is just what you said!

The biggest complaint I have on the new Husqvarna AT saw is piss poor filtration system.

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[Tor R]

Campaign in Norway,
543xpg for 4650Nkr.
Normal price 5995NKr
Perhaps they want to empty the stock......

 

[moody]

The best way that I know to describe the Redmax, is that it is very "plasticky". Yes, there is plenty of plastic in a 550, but the overall build quality is much higher. The Redmax reminds me more of Echo build quality. It is not on par with the 550, 346, 241, or 261.

Echo's are built as well as any other brand. I can't think of a more cluttered plastic design than the 029/290 and there's guhzillion of those things sold. Now Efco plastic looks low quality but I've yet to see any proof of that.

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[woodchipper95]

Also to the OP: when you say flop do you mean a disappointment in terms of performance or a disappointment in terms of sales?

I think regardless, even if this saw is pretty stellar, it has a fairly limited customer profile and sales expectations should be modest.

Let us not forget that Stihl doesn't see or previously hasn't seen bringing the 241 to the united states as a worthwhile endeavor.

Most homeowners and farmers, etc aren't going to pay extra money for a smaller saw with good limbing performance but lighter weight...you're looking for a professional or large scale woodcutter who does a lot of small limbing, mostly on the ground.

Yes I ment sales, if I was limbing on ground id take a 50cc not much heavier and still has more power. Like you said it has a small market.

 

[SawTroll]

Campaign in Norway,
543xpg for 4650Nkr.
Normal price 5995NKr
Perhaps they want to empty the stock......

I'm not interested, but many others may be....

 

[SawTroll]

The biggest complaint I have on the new Husqvarna AT saw is piss poor filtration system.

Hardly, compared to most other saws.

 

[moody]

Hardly, compared to most other saws.

In hardwoods I don't see where they're any better than anything else. And when it comes to fine dust I'd have to say very sub par. Sharp chain only goes so far. The harder the wood the more fine dust you'll have. As much as I hate to admit it Stihl's filtration system on the 261 and 362cm and a couple of others is the best in harsh conditions.

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[wyk]

I think what changed the market for the 40cc saw was the arrival of very cheap poulan products. Once you could get a wild thing on sale for next to nothing from a box store, Stihl and Husqvarna 40cc sales likely suffered. At one point, Husqvarna had no less than 3 different 42cc saws on offer. Even here in Ireland, I can go out and get a 'McCulloch' or 'Partner' 40cc saw for a tiny fraction of what a Stihl or Husqvarna(even a rebadged Poulan one) go for. Basically, Husqvarna has to find the pro market in order for this to stick.

 

[blsnelling]

Echo's are built as well as any other brand. I can't think of a more cluttered plastic design than the 029/290 and there's guhzillion of those things sold. Now Efco plastic looks low quality but I've yet to see any proof of that.

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I'm talking pro level Stihl and Husky saws, not homeowner saws. Echo is not up to par with either brand pro saws. Now, I'm not saying they're not good saws, just that they're not on par with the two others.

 

[moody]

I'm talking pro level Stihl and Husky saws, not homeowner saws. Echo is not up to par with either brand pro saws. Now, I'm not saying they're not good saws, just that they're not on par with the two others.

Performance not at all. Build quality is as good as anybody. How often do you see guys post that the new Echo they bought is junk? How many dud carbs or faulty coils have Echo's had? Am I saying they're the best? Not at all. But I will say that Echo equipment goes to work everyday just like the other brands. The difference is that you don't hear any real evidence of Echo being a bad saw.

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[dl5205]

... Husqvarna AT saw is piss poor filtration system...

I have not noticed many complaints that the 550/562 had "piss poor" filtration, really.

 

[Deleted member 83629]

Rather have a echo over a redmax. Shoot me please

 

[jughead500]

Id Rather have redmax or echo than stihl.lol

 

[MountainHigh]

what's the going price/decent price for ms241c in US? Thx

 

[MCW]

The biggest complaint I have on the new Husqvarna AT saw is piss poor filtration system.

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In hardwoods I don't see where they're any better than anything else. And when it comes to fine dust I'd have to say very sub par. Sharp chain only goes so far. The harder the wood the more fine dust you'll have. As much as I hate to admit it Stihl's filtration system on the 261 and 362cm and a couple of others is the best in harsh conditions.

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You're exactly right mate. While Stihl's HD2 and the Dolmar HD setup have gone to dry paper elements that will keep everything at bay Husqvarna have persisted with a flocked material that you can throw a golf ball through.
I won't post pictures again comparing my 241C and 550XP's intake tract but it was pretty clear which filter material was the crappiest. The little Stihl had way more hours on it than the 550XP but the difference in filtration ability was glaringly obvious. The 550XP's intake was literally caked with dust - real dust and wood dust. The 241's intake was spotless.
When you're cutting softwoods and pulling 1" chips the filtration on the 550XP is adequate. When you get into dry, dusty hardwood then it's game over for the Husky. I've had to run filter oil on my 550XP which stops the fines but makes the filter block up in 10% of the time.

NOTE: I've just had to reply for the 1000th time on my Youtube videos where peanuts have said "You need to sharpen your chain" due to the dust. They obviously can't read as in the description I clearly stated it was brand new Stihl chain and Australian hardwood produces a lot of dust...

 

[weedkilla]

Ok, so I've been doing some geek stuff.

As one of the big draw cards of the 241 is it's fuel efficiency and the amount of timber it can put on the ground I started to look for some figures to support it.

It isn't straight forward - husqvarna post fuel consumption as g/kWh, with no reference to revs. Stihl don't post anything, but it has been tested by those pernickity germans. They have also tested a Husky 550, but not the 543. So some extrapolation is required.

Husqvarna 550 -

Posted by Husqvarna - http://www.husqvarna.com/ca/en/products/chainsaws/550-xp/#specifications

Fuel tank volume 17.58 fl oz / 0.52 lit
Fuel consumption 446 g/kWh


Tested by KWF - http://www.kwf-online.de/deutsch/pruef/pruefergebnisse/aagw/motorsaegen/6384_12e.pdf

Fuel consumption
max. power 420 g/kWh
max. torque 477 g/kWh

So, with this as a reference, the Husqvarna figure is roughly half way between the tested figures recorded by KWF.

Husqvarna 543 -

Posted by Husqvarna - http://www.husqvarna.com/ca/en/products/chainsaws/543-xp/#specifications

Fuel tank volume - 14.2 fl oz / 0.42 lit
Fuel consumption - 467 g/kWh


Stihl 241 -

Tested by KWF - http://www.kwf-online.de/deutsch/pruef/pruefergebnisse/aagw/motorsaegen/5957_11e.pdf

Fuel tank volume - 12.5 fl oz/ 0.39 lit
fuel consumption
max power 378 g/kWh
max torque 404 g/kWh

Even taking into account the larger tank on the 543, it doesnt look like it will go as far as the 241. In fact the 241 should be able to do (very roughly) 10% more work per tank.
It will be interesting to see how this bears out in the real world, but I doubt we will ever know as there are too many variables, and it would take a test like MCW did with the 241 vs 550 to get even the slightest idea. As a large percentage of AS chainsaw users would mod the muffler or get their saw ported, it quickly becomes farce anyway.

 

[wyk]

I'm talking pro level Stihl and Husky saws, not homeowner saws. Echo is not up to par with either brand pro saws. Now, I'm not saying they're not good saws, just that they're not on par with the two others.

Having used Echo, Husky, and Stihl professionally for years, starting back in 1989 when I was on the side of a mountain attached to an engine crew, I would say they are all more or less the same as far as durability. Some models do better than others, but of all the brands, I haven't noticed much difference in practice. In fact, I would say the plastics and metal on certain Echo's like the 500 series before the Shindaiwa merger were a bit overbuilt.

 

[moody]

I have not noticed many complaints that the 550/562 had "piss poor" filtration, really.

Come cut some hard wood then pull your filter off and see how much the saw ingested.

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[mesupra]

If it is as light and well balanced as a 339xp, I just might have to own one. I think there is a need for a 40cc pro saw, albeit a small one but with the 339xp gone I think something should take its place. After a 10hr day of cutting brush theres a big difference in the weight of a 346/550 and a 339xp.

 

[MCW]

Come cut some hard wood then pull your filter off and see how much the saw ingested.

Or don't as you may pee your pants