Whatever y'all decide... it's raining, and I just ran out'a welding rod.hey, do you guys wanna talk about...
to quote Steven Colbert- "i just have one question about the real issues... what are the real issues?" lol. raining her too. i think its time for beer.Whatever y'all decide... it's raining, and I just ran out'a welding rod.
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old cat,,ive read enough,,to know where they are headed,,i just didn't want to type more,,as more heathen leftists would ooooze out of the woodwork,,and file their phony claims.....You really aught to do some serious homework. For example, read "Blueprint for the Environment" Them "lefties" want America shut down totally and they ARE achieving their goal!
shes trys harder,,and loves to have people have enemys.....You're makin' a fool of yourself... that ain't even close to what this thread is about.
But please continue... I enjoy the comedy of naivety.
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People are fed up with drunk driving... but I don't see anyone advocating for banning cars (except extremists).
People are fed up with smut on television... but I don't see anyone pushing to ban the TV set (except extremists).
People are fed up with racism... but I don't see anyone calling for ethnic cleansing (except extremists).
People are fed up with cell phones ringing in a theater or church... but nobody wants the cell phone banned from our lives (except extremists).
People are fed up with candy wrappers littering our streets and parks... but no one is working to ban candy bars (except extremists).
It seems when the majority wants or uses something, strict regulation or banning it is "unfair"
But if a minority wants or uses something, strict regulation or banning it is "fair"
I don't believe it's right to "block vision on the road"... there should be a law (state or local), with an attached penalty for breaking that law (just as there are laws making drunk driving a criminal offense). But the effective federal banning by regulation for all users, because of the action of a few, is flat wrong... and you can bet-your-azz it would never pass muster if the majority used them.
I "expect" state and local law makers to address irresponsible behavior... based on the needs of the local (i.e., I "expect" them to do their job... the one we pay them to do).
I do not "expect" the constitution to be circumvented and federal "one-size-fits-all" regulation... it rarely solves anything, and always ends up costing us all more than is necessary... and not just in dollars.
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not all people have,,nor want,,to spend the cash,,for a VERY spendy....ELITIST stove......................Without becoming too political, I do see your point. My mother still burns her original Earthstove and it does a fine job of heating her home. But it pollutes badly especially when she fires it up in the morning. I grew up in that house and back then, it was mostly a rural area. Not anymore. The road that runs 20 yards from her house is a main route in and out of the city. By the time she gets that stove hot, she has completely smoked out the intersection for all the morning commute to drive through.
When I was a kid, this really wasn't a problem. In fact, I grew up thinking wood stoves should smoke. It is only now that I am older and hopefully a little smarter that I realize that smoke is precious wasted fuel. Now when I drive around and see smoke coming out of someone's stack, all I can think about is dollars and/or hard work being wasted. This wasted fuel needlessly pollutes the environment and ticks your neighbors off.
It is similar to driving my Cummins. It produces a lot of power but I really need a bigger turbo to match the fuel that's going into the injectors. I can blow black smoke all over the road if I choose to. But I don't because this is also wasted fuel, bad for the environment, and really makes people mad. But I see guys all the time running around town blowing black smoke because they think it looks bad ass and they are in desperate need of attention. Every chance I get, I tell these idiots what I think because they will ruin it for all of us diesel loving enthusiasts. Not that wood burners are idiots, but the same is true of the smoke coming out of your stack at home. It's just a mentality that needs to be changed.
Regardless of which stove you buy and how it is designed, buy one that utilizes the smoke. If you see smoke coming out of your stack, you don't have the right stove (or burning wet wood). Let's face it, there are a lot of people on this earth now. Some would even say the earth is at or over it's capacity. We can't burn our stoves like we burned them in the past by just mindlessly sending our smoke into the environment. Not only is this bad for the environment, but it causes more work for the wood burner by requiring more wood to be burned. As with the Cummins, it is our responsibility to communicate and educate others so we don't have extra government regulation. As with most things in life, it takes only a small percentage of people to ruin it for everyone else.
not all people have,,nor want,,to spend the cash,,for a VERY spendy....ELITIST stove......................
Actually, there was never any good intentions with the EPA... Nixon saw an opportunity and created it to expand his power, the spineless congress allowed it. The "oversight" has been the same since day one; the EPA answers directly to the White House... congress allowed themselves to locked-out from the oversight process. The whole damn "intention" was to expand the power of the White House... but, much like (dare I say it) Obama Care, it was sold to the public cloaked in half-truths and outright lies. It's likely the largest power grab by any of the three branches in our history. And the worst (or saddest) part?? Supporters... past, present, and future... are unable to see how badly they were, are, and will be screwed-in-the-drive-through.The EPA is like any government agency it started off with good intentions but grew into a monster with non control or oversight.
Yeah... except I don't squabble about which cook is better....laughing at you while all off you squabble about which crook is better.
I know the lines are blurred lately but I can assure you the left Is behind the EPA forcing these ridiculous regulations on us . There is a lot of needless fear mongering going on yes but there actually very concerning people in office who should be feared the failures currently in office is one of them and there are democrats who want to tax you at 50 cents per split / round on your firewood pile to offset costs . Don't think that's a conspiracy it's true and there are also those who want to ban wood burning altogether you can guess what letter is by their name . The EPA is like any government agency it started off with good intentions but grew into a monster with no control or oversight . Worst words you can hear is " hi I'm from the government and I'm here to help !" The only thing you can really do is vote for those who represent individual liberties and not trying to regulate every detail of our lives. If somebody is burning car tires in their wood boiler that should be taken care at the local level on an "as needed" basis not a sweeping legislative law that punishes everyone
That's flat false.Ummmm, the old stoves--the good ones were just as spendy.
Except for DHS??Speaking from experience, except for the Dept. of Homeland Security, most all agencies are much smaller than they used to be.
not all people have,,nor want,,to spend the cash,,for a VERY spendy....ELITIST stove......................
not all people have,,nor want,,to spend the cash,,for a VERY spendy....ELITIST stove......................
if you read enough..youll find,,that the epa lovers on this site,,nearly all own "elitist" stoves..the ones with super efficiency,,and cats......that's ok,if that's what they want. the problem is,,they are of the opinion,,that if you dont own one,,and put it in,,you need the epa to be beating on your door...many have ridiculed spidey for the daka stove he got....kinda like the stihl hardcores on here,,if you don't own one,,you aint a woddcutter supreme like them,,your just a hack....capish???So if I did my homework right and searched correctly, Olyman, you own a monarch cook stove? Understandably it appears it is second hand but new cost wold be 5000~ new?? So if a 3000$ stove is elitist, you would be a 1%??
Don't get me wrong, I am not judging your choice, in fact I think in the long run more expensive stoves are generally longer lasting and more cost effective (seen monarchs 30/40 years old going strong) just asking why you are judging others choice??
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