What's the deal with EPA phase 2
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Whatever y'all decide... it's raining, and I just ran out'a welding rod.
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to quote Steven Colbert- "i just have one question about the real issues... what are the real issues?" lol. raining her too. i think its time for beer.
old cat,,ive read enough,,to know where they are headed,,i just didn't want to type more,,as more heathen leftists would ooooze out of the woodwork,,and file their phony claims.....
People are fed up with drunk driving... but I don't see anyone advocating for banning cars (except extremists).
People are fed up with smut on television... but I don't see anyone pushing to ban the TV set (except extremists).
People are fed up with racism... but I don't see anyone calling for ethnic cleansing (except extremists).
People are fed up with cell phones ringing in a theater or church... but nobody wants the cell phone banned from our lives (except extremists).
People are fed up with candy wrappers littering our streets and parks... but no one is working to ban candy bars (except extremists).
It seems when the majority wants or uses something, strict regulation or banning it is "unfair"
But if a minority wants or uses something, strict regulation or banning it is "fair"
I don't believe it's right to "block vision on the road"... there should be a law (state or local), with an attached penalty for breaking that law (just as there are laws making drunk driving a criminal offense). But the effective federal banning by regulation for all users, because of the action of a few, is flat wrong... and you can bet-your-azz it would never pass muster if the majority used them.
I "expect" state and local law makers to address irresponsible behavior... based on the needs of the local (i.e., I "expect" them to do their job... the one we pay them to do).
I do not "expect" the constitution to be circumvented and federal "one-size-fits-all" regulation... it rarely solves anything, and always ends up costing us all more than is necessary... and not just in dollars.
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not all people have,,nor want,,to spend the cash,,for a VERY spendy....ELITIST stove......................
I know the lines are blurred lately but I can assure you the left Is behind the EPA forcing these ridiculous regulations on us . There is a lot of needless fear mongering going on yes but there actually very concerning people in office who should be feared the failures currently in office is one of them and there are democrats who want to tax you at 50 cents per split / round on your firewood pile to offset costs . Don't think that's a conspiracy it's true and there are also those who want to ban wood burning altogether you can guess what letter is by their name . The EPA is like any government agency it started off with good intentions but grew into a monster with no control or oversight . Worst words you can hear is " hi I'm from the government and I'm here to help !" The only thing you can really do is vote for those who represent individual liberties and not trying to regulate every detail of our lives. If somebody is burning car tires in their wood boiler that should be taken care at the local level on an "as needed" basis not a sweeping legislative law that punishes everyone
Ummmm, the old stoves--the good ones were just as spendy. What do you suggest we would buy if there were no requirements to be met, not that you'll answer such a question...the $200 tin stove at the discount store? A barrel stove? Yup, that'll look good in a living room. What would the price be of a non ELITIST stove? It would probably be made in China, right?
Actually, there was never any good intentions with the EPA... Nixon saw an opportunity and created it to expand his power, the spineless congress allowed it. The "oversight" has been the same since day one; the EPA answers directly to the White House... congress allowed themselves to locked-out from the oversight process. The whole damn "intention" was to expand the power of the White House... but, much like (dare I say it) Obama Care, it was sold to the public cloaked in half-truths and outright lies. It's likely the largest power grab by any of the three branches in our history. And the worst (or saddest) part?? Supporters... past, present, and future... are unable to see how badly they were, are, and will be screwed-in-the-drive-through.
That's why the EPA always appears to be either "overreaching", or impotent... it depends on how the current administration "uses" the power, and the political ideology of the person viewing.
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with every post about politics this just gets funnier and funnier. i'm doing the same thing the politicians are doing. laughing at you while all off you squabble about which crook is better. lmho!!! only difference is i'm not stealing your money in the process. lol. but keep going this is entertaining
Yeah... except I don't squabble about which cook is better.
I've tasted their food... they all suck.
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Well, you better go to where the funding is....Congress. And the folks who control funding....Congress. Congress is also the Gubmint, as are we all. Liberties? Whose liberties? What beliefs? Will we all have to conform to Olymon's bitter way of life?
Collecting social security yet? Got farm subsidies coming? Flood insurance? Medicare? VA? Those are gubmint too.
Speaking from experience, except for the Dept. of Homeland Security, most all agencies are much smaller than they used to be. Small enough where they can't help everybody. They'll be getting smaller if the budget game playing continues. So, you ought to be very happy, until you need something.
That's flat false.
Before the EPA got involved there were literally thousands of stove builders... lots of small business, little welding and fabrication shops, and whatnot. The "good ones", the really good ones were semi-custom built in little shops, and were sold pennies-on-the dollar compared to the "regulated" stoves we have to choose from now. And yeah, there were el-cheap-o stoves also. The first EPA regulations destroyed the ability of those little shops to compete... why do you think the biggest manufactures today are on-board with the new "proposed" EPA regulations?? They see it as an opportunity to narrow the field of competition.
Open your friggin' eyes girl.
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slowp,
You are aware there is over 500 known Federal Government agencies... correct??
Did you know there ain't an official list?? There ain't a single person in Federal Government who knows the total number of agencies... not a single person. Funding is done by department... not agencies. There is also an unknown number of "private" agencies, hired by our government.
How can you say, "Speaking from experience"?? How could you possibly have personal experience with even 5% of them??
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You are aware there is over 500 known Federal Government agencies... correct??
Did you know there ain't an official list?? There ain't a single person in Federal Government who knows the total number of agencies... not a single person. Funding is done by department... not agencies. There is also an unknown number of "private" agencies, hired by our government.
How can you say, "Speaking from experience"?? How could you possibly have personal experience with even 5% of them??
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Good point Olyman. No doubt everyone has different price tolerance when it comes to buying a new stove. But ELITIST stove? What is an ELITIST stove? Remember my mothers Earthstove? My parents bought that stove new in 1979 for $600. Would that have been an ELITIST stove in your opinion? Because with only a 5% increase per year, that stove would cost $3,309 today (Blaze King cost us $3000). And I can tell you with 100% certainty, that stove is not in the same league as the Blaze King. My mothers disappearing wood pile would tell you the same thing.
I don't consider the Blaze King an ELITIST stove and I sure don't consider myself an ELITIST (I know you didn't call me one). How could I be an ELITIST, I'm just a meat cutter. Like with most things you buy in life, you get what you pay for and quality isn't cheap. But as a common working person, I can tell you I should have bought that stove years ago. It really is worth every hard earned penny we saved for it...and it took us years to save enough money to buy it.
firebrick43
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So if I did my homework right and searched correctly, Olyman, you own a monarch cook stove? Understandably it appears it is second hand but new cost wold be 5000~ new?? So if a 3000$ stove is elitist, you would be a 1%??
Don't get me wrong, I am not judging your choice, in fact I think in the long run more expensive stoves are generally longer lasting and more cost effective (seen monarchs 30/40 years old going strong) just asking why you are judging others choice??
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i love my late 70's ashley stove smoke dragon sure it is! kills the skeeters sleeping in the bushes and keeps me warm paid 100$ for it and it can hold a fire for a while.
epa? whats that the epa was still in diapers when the stove was built.
epa? whats that the epa was still in diapers when the stove was built.
if you read enough..youll find,,that the epa lovers on this site,,nearly all own "elitist" stoves..the ones with super efficiency,,and cats......that's ok,if that's what they want. the problem is,,they are of the opinion,,that if you dont own one,,and put it in,,you need the epa to be beating on your door...many have ridiculed spidey for the daka stove he got....kinda like the stihl hardcores on here,,if you don't own one,,you aint a woddcutter supreme like them,,your just a hack....capish???
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