Come on now, my fellow ACIDD infected friends. Isn't this what's it's all about? Here I am building a "new", retired model, 122cc chainsaw that I have no need for. It's a big boys toy for me. Addicted? You bet! Having fun? You know it
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Makes them 2 084's and the PP084 I told a select few about, that was already woods ported by a race saw racer already for $800-$850 look cheap.:rockn:
Yours ought to be a beauty though when your done Brad. I even think I would take a new 084 over the 880 new myself.
Now if It was being used for cutting big timber on a daily basis I would retract that last statement, due the ease of getting parts for the 880.
Lift a 880 and then lift 084, you will notice a huge difference in weight too. Advantage 084.
Yours ought to be a beauty though when your done Brad. I even think I would take a new 084 over the 880 new myself.
Now if It was being used for cutting big timber on a daily basis I would retract that last statement, due the ease of getting parts for the 880.
Lift a 880 and then lift 084, you will notice a huge difference in weight too. Advantage 084.
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Now if It was being used for cutting big timber on a daily basis I would retract that last statement, due the ease of getting parts for the 880.
I'll agree with you on that one. And yes, I will be carving up this expensive new P&C
:hmm3grin2orange: Stock is boring. I don't care what stock power is.
Lakeside53
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How much difference?
Lakeside53
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ha! That got your attention!
It's about 8-10%.. Same piston, different cylinder/muffler (as you know).
Does your new case come with bearings already in place? The clutch side is a BIT?H to put in - I had to make a custom back support to get it done right. If you have trouble... I have some suggestions.
As for weight... any saw over 20lb WITHOUT BAR&CHAIN.. who cares about a lb.. My damn 088 with 41 inch bar and alaska mill has to be pushing 50lb!
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Mine won't be stock when I'm done with it.
I'll likely put it together stock and get it running first though.It's supposed to have the bearings, but no seals. I figure I'll heat the flywheel side, freeze the crank, and drop the crank in the flywheel side case. I'll then heat the clutch side to at least get it started going on. I'll drive in the seals after the crank is in.
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Do I detect a note of panic?
Edit:You posted too quick Brad, but thats what I get for eating lunch during lunch.
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Lakeside53
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Mine won't be stock.
It's supposed to have the bearings, but no seals. I figure I'll heat the flywheel side, freeze the crank, and drop the crank in the flywheel side case. I'll then heat the clutch side to at least get it started going on. I'll drive in the seals after the crank is in.
Never heat your bearings diffentially (inner ring)... That "old" method is completely wrong for modern bearings. Go to the SKF or Nachi website and look at their PDF's for bearing installation and removal. If you're going to try to use the heat method, you need to heat the entire bearing which in your case will be the entire casing side. If the bearing has a nylon cage, you have to keep it less then the manf's max value (it's around 175F.. I think). Use my "shade tree" convection oven approach, and heat soak them for 20-30 minutes.
Clutch side seal... Make or buy the seal guide to get it over the crank step. I wrecked my share of $19 seals before I did.
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I knew that going into this project. Mine won't be stock, but it won't run like a piped one either. I just want a LN strong woods ported saw. Anything close to "The Beast" will make me smile for a mile
Lakeside53
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Not the choice of saws.
Lakeside53
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Hmmm... I have an idea.. So.. you're fun is in putting it all togther?
I'll buy a brand new MS880, tear it all down to every part (no charge), then ship it to you at 10% less than list. :rockn:
I'll buy a brand new MS880, tear it all down to every part (no charge), then ship it to you at 10% less than list. :rockn:
The other part is building a "new" saw that you can't buy new any more. I also enjoy the hunt and the research involved in the process.
Lakeside53
Stihl Wrenching
O.K.
I'll send the part to all corners of the county - you can find them
Actually - for the 084 it's not a challenge (that money can't solve ) - you can still buy all the parts new... Build a NEW saw where most parts aren't available...
I'll send the part to all corners of the county - you can find them
Actually - for the 084 it's not a challenge (that money can't solve
) - you can still buy all the parts new... Build a NEW saw where most parts aren't available...
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Actually - for the 084 it's not a challenge (that money can't solve
OK. You've got me. I'm too impatient for that much of a challenge
I'll agree with you on that one. And yes, I will be carving up this expensive new P&C
Mine won't be stock, but it won't run like a piped one either. I just want a LN strong woods ported saw. Anything close to "The Beast" will make me smile for a mile
I feel the same way brad, stock is just so boring anymore. NO
ing from a stock saw in a cut.The Beast is about 2/3 rd's as fast as the piped GAS 84 in a cut Brad (but I am working on getting a real good layed out race chain for the piped saw and that should pick me up a couple more tenths in a cut) Amazing what you will spend in money to get a few tenths shaved off in a cut time and then times that by 3 cuts
. If you get anywhere close to the Beast you will have one HeII of a woods saw.
Andy weight of PHO of a MS880 is 22.3LBS flush handle, 084 same PHO 20.7LBS, 088 same PHO 21.8LBS.
I was comparing the MS880 and 084, yes I have lifted and ran both. and could feel the weight difference from the get go. I know after running either for any amount of time the extra weight of the 880 wouldn't matter anyways, but there is a notable bulk of the 880 sitting beside the 084, the 084 seems more streamed lined.
I wouldn't kick any of them out of the garage though. 
084 20.7LBS 8.6bhp
088 21.8LBS 8.7bhp
MS880 22.3lbs 8.6bhp
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I'm not sweating any 0.1bhp here. I'm looking for an additional 1.5bhp for a total of 10.0bhp! OK, where's the "More Power" emoticon?
