Synthetic oil, more power?

[Crofter]

Like I said, intellectually lazy...
You would love to prove me wrong so have at it...

Nah I am pretty neutral on the oil thing and I dont have any need to prove you wrong, but maybe you shouldnt throw down a blanket challenge like that Ben without thinking back to other threads and other topics. There are a few threads where you did that number on yourself.

 

[bwalker]

Thats what I thought......

 

[spacemule]

Ben's the kind of guy who would make a good bean counter (well, in principle, I do recall some miscalculations I called him on ), but not a good overall global view, guiding principle kind of guy.

 

[bwalker]

I have been wrong a few times, but not very often....

but not a good overall global view, guiding principle kind of guy

Thats pretty absurd coming from a lawyer in training,lol.

 

[spacemule]

Thats pretty absurd coming from a lawyer in training,lol.

Argument ad hominem.

 

[bwalker]

One ad hominem attack deserves another....

 

[spacemule]

One ad hominem attack deserves another....

Two wrongs don't make a right.

 

[bwalker]

Depends who you ask..

 

[Tzed250]

I love it.

Who here has had an oil related (with proof that the oil was the only cause) in one of the saws that you own?

 

[Crofter]

I love it.

Who here has had an oil related (with proof that the oil was the only cause) in one of the saws that you own?

TZ, Lol! I think I could produce some convincing evidence if you will expand your conditions to include "lack of oil" but you will have to cross my palm with silver to cover the cost of the research project!

 

[bwalker]

I dont think I have ever seen a engine that failed where it could be proven that oil caused the problem.
Air leaks and dirt ingestion kill most two strokes before they have the chance to wear out.

 

[RiverRat2]

bwalker said,,,"But the oil, if things are operating right is mostly droped out of suspension once it hits that crank case."


The certainty of that statement is perhaps questionable. You are making the assumption that your statement is unassailable. I think the average evaporability of the oils likely more indicative how they will behave. We also dont know what is more indicative, the oil that burns with the fuel charge or that, that does not. The original question was whether synthetic oil in a saw made more power and I dont think that has even been decided conclusively, but in the mean while we are conjecturing what properties of the different oils might be the cause. A few more "IMHOs" thrown in with the statements might make for a better discussion.

Perhaps synthetics just make power easier,,,,, because of the reduction of friction,,,,
http://www.25000mileoil.com/page4.html

Here is Amsoils add!!!! I wondered where bwalker was getting all of his big words,,,,

Like Trailerhouse and watermelon!!!!!!!!!

are you an amsoil fan bwalker!!!! I ferget!!!!

Of course I stay confused!!!!

 

[bwalker]

are you an amsoil fan bwalker!!!! I ferget!!

Talk about a ad hominem attack....

That tripe on that Amsoil peddlers sight is laughable. Just for starters, why would you compare two different oils with different viscosities?
The correct way to run a test to determine if synthetic oils did indeed provide for a HP increase would be to use oils of the exact same viscosity, and the same additive package with the only difference being the base oil type. And do the test on a real atmospheric controlled dyno, rather than the one down at Blano and Chucks garage.....


How about some peer reviewed research form a reputable company or institution?
BTW not saying syns cant boost HP, just saying I would not bet my $$ on it.

Of course I stay confused!!!!

Judging by the crap you just posted, evidently...

 

[Andyshine77]

Let me correct everyone on the specifications of Stihl ultra, here is the correct msds.

Flash point is the point at which the vapors of a given substance will ignite with an external ignition source.

I've don more research on oil's than I'd like to admit, with that said, as far as I know just about everything bwalker has said is correct.

 

[Danger Dan]

Let me correct everyone on the specifications of Stihl ultra, here is the correct msds.

Flash point is the point at which the vapors of a given substance will ignite with an external ignition source.

I've don more research on oil's than I'd like to admit, with that said, as far as I know just about everything bwalker has said is correct.

Well I guess it's final then...although its not clear where you have corrected anyone, The attached msds states the Flash Point in degrees C, (220) and 220' C = 430' F. Although Flash Point may not be an absolute indicator it should be considered. Here is a test we can all try at home to determine if Flash Point is relevant... Drain your fuel tanks, refill them with 2 cycle oil and then go cut some wood. :smoking:

 

[wanab]

Been using the Husky silver bottle, XP oil all winter. Have cut and bucked around 30 federal cords with it so far.
And my saws haven't imploded yet!

hee, hee,

i have swithch over to it from my beloved Golden Spectro and it seemed to lean the saws out. it would be hard for me to confirm how much because i switched to 40:1 at the same time from 50:1, just seemed to lean it out more that just going from 50 to 40.


have you done any tear downs yet? it was very clean and very slick inside. burns cleaner than the GS and seems just as slick. Husky claims the oil was designed to create less wear.


http://international.husqvarna.com/node1589.aspx?_newsid=2286


Amick's price is half of what the stihl ultra is priced at

 

[RiverRat2]

with that said, as far as I know just about everything bwalker has said is correct.

Boy now you went and did it!!!!!!!!!

Where is Gary when we need him??????? :monkey:

He would settle all this palvering once and for All!!!!!!

 

[slabmaster]

hee, hee,

i have swithch over to it from my beloved Golden Spectro and it seemed to lean the saws out. it would be hard for me to confirm how much because i switched to 40:1 at the same time from 50:1, just seemed to lean it out more that just going from 50 to 40.


have you done any tear downs yet? it was very clean and very slick inside. burns cleaner than the GS and seems just as slick. Husky claims the oil was designed to create less wear.


http://international.husqvarna.com/node1589.aspx?_newsid=2286


Amick's price is half of what the stihl ultra is priced at

If husky claims it creates less wear,then it would take longer for the break-in period on a saw.Do we agree on that?

 

[bwalker]

Although Flash Point may not be an absolute indicator it should be considered.

For purposes related to shipping said product.....

 

[Tzed250]

I dont think I have ever seen a engine that failed where it could be proven that oil caused the problem.
Air leaks and dirt ingestion kill most two strokes before they have the chance to wear out.

This is my point...As long as you have fresh premix with a decent lubricant, what liquid you give the engine has much less to do with its longevity that the quality of the air it intakes.