Is this safe to climb on?

[Nailsbeats]

a pic is worth a thousand words

Thanks for the picture man. I will try that too, I am open to all suggestions, there have been many mentioned here.

Tree MDS, what makes me a pro is the fact that I make money taking down trees. All it takes to buy gear is money, you can't buy experience. Agreed, gear does not make you a professional. Impress? I don't give 2 sh1ts about impressing anyone, it's about learning and helping others to learn.

 

[impetus]

Here is the new bridge I put on my Butterfly. I am not sure what the knot is, I freestyled it. I have climbed on it once already and it held fine. I think it might be just a square knot. I taped the tails back so the knot is low profile and the bridge has plenty of room to float on. Not sure of the safety factor, but it has worked in 3 trees already. Let me know what you all think.

If you would even consider climbing with this setup then you don't belong in that saddle and you need to get a few years of ground experience under your belt.(yes I see the pun )

 

[Nailsbeats]

yah i hear you about that bridge. it was the only thing i would look at when i was hang'n off the ball. i hate that bridge, just doesnt look all that appealing when your hanging all you got on it.



"double figure of 8"

it has a nice ring to it. just rolls off the tongue.

Hey oldirty, do you have a picture of your bridge you could show me or direct me to. I would like to have a look. I happen to have a hank of that true blue you speak of. Thanks

 

[reachtreeservi]

The problem with that rope is that the bury would not be long enough for an eye & eye splice to be to spec.

I agree with you JPS. The length wouldn't be enough for a normal splice.
But he could use a Grizzly splice from Sherriltree. And it would be stronger than a regular splice, although not as trim.

 

[Nailsbeats]

Nails, Have you thought about using an eye to eye for a bridge.
It'd be the cleanest , most streamlined and strongest bridge possible.
It would be pricey , but worth it.

What's the length of the bridge you are using ?

Just measured it, the length of actual usuable bridge is 12"

 

[Nailsbeats]

If you would even consider climbing with this setup then you don't belong in that saddle and you need to get a few years of ground experience under your belt.(yes I see the pun )

Just curious, where do I belong if I climbed in it already?

 

[reachtreeservi]

Originally Posted by Nailsbeats : "Just measured it, the length of actual usable bridge is 12"

Nails, you could get a Grizzly sliced eye to eye that would have the same usable length.

You'd have to add a little bit to the overall length to get the same usable length.

 

[Nailsbeats]

Nails, you could get a Grizzly sliced eye to eye that would be the same.

Where do I get one of those? Is that the bridge in Sherill?

 

[Nailsbeats]

The problem with that rope is that the bury would not be long enough for an eye & eye splice to be to spec.

Maybe a Tenex double end eye splices.

I would use a fishermans on each end, 2-3 turns. I have some 3/8 inch stablebraid that would work good if you want some, you pay for shipping, or come down and get it.

It looks like you have an overhand knot there, which is a single turn fishemans knot, one could say after reading Mahk Adams article a month or so ago. The creep too much to be safe.

JPS, thanks for the offer. I might take you up on it, I will need a little time to play though. As I progress more to new school climbing I might have to come down and visit you. I actually met a local guy the other day when I bought my 200t that said you and Tom Dunlap taught him more in 4 hours than he could have ever learned on his own. That's good to hear.

 

[reachtreeservi]

Where do I get one of those? Is that the bridge in Sherill?

No, it's a differant product.

Hold a few minutes , I'll post a pic.
I measured the splice length, it's about 2 5/8 in

Sherrill will custom splice any rope product they sell in any length you want with this grizzly splice.

 

[reachtreeservi]

Nails, Here's a pic:

 

[reachtreeservi]

Here's a close up :

 

[Magnum783]

Reach do you like those splices well enough. Do they seem to hold up? Do they resist wear ok. I have thought about them just haven't found too many people that like them but if you like them I would be curious to hear your outake.
Jared

 

[impetus]

that's exactly what you need. Have one made to the size you need and your loggin'

 

[reachtreeservi]

Reach do you like those splices well enough. Do they seem to hold up? Do they resist wear ok. I have thought about them just haven't found too many people that like them but if you like them I would be curious to hear your outake.
Jared

Yeah, I love the Grizzly eye to eyes. It's supposed to be stronger than a regular splice.
I have a bunch of them in the ICE and TENEX.
I use the ICE for my climbing hitch (Vt or Distel) and the TENEX for my lanyard adjuster(Distel).
Although the ICE would work well for ether one.

The cordage will wear out long before the splice shows any wear. The plastic covering really helps with abrasion.
And the tight eye prevents most carabiner rolling and slipping.

I wouldn't go back to hand tied prussics after using the Grizzly eye to eyes.
The only drawback is the cost, they're crazy expensive. But all equipment can be wrote off on your taxes anyway.
I'd rather put it in equipment than give it to Uncle Sam.

Plus they're just so streamlined and worry free.

I haven't used a Grizzly eye to eye for a bridge yet, but I'm sure it would work great. You would just have to get the right rope or cordage and sizing.

But for your climbing hitch, I know they're the best way to go.
Ditto if you use a prussic for your lanyard adjuster.`

Add a coil of tight eye spliced Poison Ivey hi Vis rope and you've got a high speed low drag climbing system !

 

[safeT1st]

Got me wondering ?

This thread has me wondering : Why is someone with that gear unable to identify the knot he put his life on the line with ? Seems to me any individual whether he be pro or recreational should know his knots inside out and blindfolded. Personally , I never left the ground before I knew my knots . Unless I have missed something (if I have please forgive me ) this is a no brainer . Put your feet firmly on the ground , decide which of the PROVEN knots you choose to use , learn them front to back and then climb . I personally would never trust a shackle with a loctited pin ! If you must use a shackle lockwire it ! To present an overhand knot ( looks to me to be one) tied to a pin and ask this forum to identify it and then approve it is insulting . Judging by the quality of the rope and your apparent familiarity with it's purpose you should know better .

 

[safeT1st]

Most Suprising of All

Most suprising thing here to me is that our well versed members are offering all these complex knot solutions to an individual that can't identify the one he climbed with . After all , a knot is either recognized and proven or it is not . The example given appears to be recognizable as an overhand and if it is then it is not proven climb worthy .

 

[OLD CHIPMONK]

Kind of like playing " Russian Roulette ". You'll never know.

 

[tree MDS]

This thread has me wondering : Why is someone with that gear unable to identify the knot he put his life on the line with ? Seems to me any individual whether he be pro or recreational should know his knots inside out and blindfolded. Personally , I never left the ground before I knew my knots . Unless I have missed something (if I have please forgive me ) this is a no brainer . Put your feet firmly on the ground , decide which of the PROVEN knots you choose to use , learn them front to back and then climb . I personally would never trust a shackle with a loctited pin ! If you must use a shackle lockwire it ! To present an overhand knot ( looks to me to be one) tied to a pin and ask this forum to identify it and then approve it is insulting . Judging by the quality of the rope and your apparent familiarity with it's purpose you should know better .

Good post. When I was 18 or so I was learning to climb down in FL and we used to make our own lanyards out of old climbing line, one day I was up on a freshly tied one with two overhands connecting it to the d ring on my left, I went to lean back and felt the overhands "unraveling", luckilly I was able to grab the trunk and save myself from falling 25' onto the Ficus leader below me, about right in the middle of my back-then I would have fallen onto a chain link fence. That night even as young as I was I knew I was lucky and learned some respect for safety. After that I switched to stationary bowline.

 

[Nailsbeats]

I personally would never trust a shackle with a loctited pin ! If you must use a shackle lockwire it !

To present an overhand knot ( looks to me to be one) tied to a pin and ask this forum to identify it and then approve it is insulting .

First off, the shackle and loctited pin came stock from the store I bought the saddle at. Second, I never asked anyone to identify the knot, and I never ever approved it. If I did I wouldn't be asking about it, just wondering what other's opinions were. You seem to have a good view from your high horse. Hope this clears things up.