Chinese made Husqvarna?What?

[peter399]

Petey if ya knew whatcha was talkin about it would help. Let me help ya ole boy. Stihl as a company monitors quailty control plant to plant. Guess which plant has the best quailty control, the VA plant. 69% of all Stihl made is made in Va Beach. So no we're not complaining about the Va plant, how can we when its the best,LOLOL

I know and I agree that the company should stand for the quality, not the country of production. If I buy a Volvo, I buy it because it's a Volvo. I it's made in Sweden, Belgium, US or whatever shouldn't affect quality.
Neither should quality be worse if it's made in China. My experience is that quality is better in Asia for the simple reason that the operators do EXACTLY what the are instructed to do and NOTHING else so once you have the proper quality, you will keep it. The way to get there could be long though...

 

[joatmon]

You're probably right. If a manufacturer wants to sell their widget in China they better be prepared to have manufacturing presence in China or it'll be very difficult to sell there. (unlike the US)

It would be foolish for Stihl and Husqvarna to ignore what's probably one on the largest OPE markets in the world. (I assume there are trees in China??)

Dave,

Ah, Dave, what a good question.

Well, the short answer is that there are trees in China. But, it is most interesting to learn the process. All matters of vegetation are monitored at a very young age. Careful laboratory observation and scientific analysis allow these Chinese experts to determine the potential for all these vegetative matters as to their suitablility for being fine, strong, healthy trees. The ones that are deemed most worthy are identified at an early age. They are given the finest of everything: the best soils, the highest quality fertilizers, the prime growing region with just the right mixture of sunlight, shade and rainfall. If their parental heritage is noted or discoved, the parents are given special priviledges in the form of extra applications of manure.

Now, the vegetative matter deemed unworthy are culled out. What happens to them you ask? What a good question, Dave. Well, some are allowed to fend for themselves and only a few make it. Many are encouraged to shrivel up and die .... or as we say .... dust to dust.

All for now,

dr. Joat

PS: As to the rumors that "some trees are too young to compete", dr. Joat will address that in a future post.

 

[Woodie]

So you gladly abandon German quality for US quality.

I got news for you...German quality ain't what it used to be. As a rule, the Germans are surviving on reputation alone at this point.

Ever heard of the German Workers Council? They are killing German quality as fast as they can. One of the tenets of the "Council" is that it is not legal to measure the output, quality, or efficiency of individual workers. As a matter of fact, individual computer applications are having to be rewritten so as to prevent statistics from being collected on which workers did what.

Now there's a powerful incentive for workers to do a good job!!

I have been very disappointed in the quality of several German tools I have bought in the last three years or so. It's evident in the repair rates of German automakers as well. Mercedes? Largely crap these days. Volkswagen? Largely crap for many many years now. BMW...slightly below average.

So no, don't talk about German "quality." It ain't much.

 

[joatmon]

I got news for you...German quality ain't what it used to be. As a rule, the Germans are surviving on reputation alone at this point.

Ever heard of the German Workers Council? They are killing German quality as fast as they can. One of the tenets of the "Council" is that it is not legal to measure the output, quality, or efficiency of individual workers. As a matter of fact, individual computer applications are having to be rewritten so as to prevent statistics from being collected on which workers did what.

Now there's a powerful incentive for workers to do a good job!!

I have been very disappointed in the quality of several German tools I have bought in the last three years or so. It's evident in the repair rates of German automakers as well. Mercedes? Largely crap these days. Volkswagen? Largely crap for many many years now. BMW...slightly below average.

So no, don't talk about German "quality." It ain't much.

Bravo Woodie.

But, someone's gonna miss them b_lls you're suddenly sportin'.

 

[spike60]

These things are knockoffs, and Husky has nothing to do with them.

You can't sue anyone in China as the entire economy is based on ripping off other companies. You could probably sue an importer for bringing them into the US.

There is a staggering amount of this stuff being made over there, and I'd suspect that we will be seeing more of it on the street as time goes by. Did you see the "powerhorse" saws in the new Northern tool catalog?

At what point will consumers look beyond their own wallets and see the bigger picture and stop buying this junk?

 

[joatmon]

These things are knockoffs, and Husky has nothing to do with them.

You can't sue anyone in China as the entire economy is based on ripping off other companies. You could probably sue an importer for bringing them into the US.

There is a staggering amount of this stuff being made over there, and I'd suspect that we will be seeing more of it on the street as time goes by. Did you see the "powerhorse" saws in the new Northern tool catalog?

At what point will consumers look beyond their own wallets and see the bigger picture and stop buying this junk?

Spike,

It may be hopeless. Been in a Wal*Mart lately?

Joat

 

[04ultra]

I got news for you...German quality ain't what it used to be. As a rule, the Germans are surviving on reputation alone at this point.

Ever heard of the German Workers Council? They are killing German quality as fast as they can. One of the tenets of the "Council" is that it is not legal to measure the output, quality, or efficiency of individual workers. As a matter of fact, individual computer applications are having to be rewritten so as to prevent statistics from being collected on which workers did what.

Now there's a powerful incentive for workers to do a good job!!

I have been very disappointed in the quality of several German tools I have bought in the last three years or so. It's evident in the repair rates of German automakers as well. Mercedes? Largely crap these days. Volkswagen? Largely crap for many many years now. BMW...slightly below average.

So no, don't talk about German "quality." It ain't much.

But there quality is Stihl way above Fords..........opcorn: opcorn:



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[Woodie]

But there quality is Stihl way above Fords..........opcorn: opcorn:

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Really? Well, while you're eating all that popcorn, how 'bout chewing on some data too? Below is J.D. Powers' chart showing TGW for MY2005 vehicles over the last three years. I've taken the liberty of "circling" the Ford/Lincoln/Mercury results. Come to think of it, how 'bout chewing on some crow while you're at it?

 

[04ultra]

Really? Well, while you're eating all that popcorn, how 'bout chewing on some data too? Below is J.D. Powers' chart showing TGW for MY2005 vehicles over the last three years. I've taken the liberty of "circling" the Ford/Lincoln/Mercury results. Come to think of it, how 'bout chewing on some crow while you're at it?

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[blackoak]

Don't be ridiculous, guys...that's absolutely NOT a Husqvarna saw. It is an illegal infringement on a trademark.

The only legitimate sawmaker I know of making saws in China is...











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Stihl.









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I heard an old boy in another thread say Echos are made in China, but I don't think he knew what he's talking about.:monkey:

 

[jlh26oo]

I personally would rather have a German made Stihl over a U.S. made one, but I recognize that is largely mental. Considering starting at the M.S. 441's (and above) are made in Germany, it's hard NOT to identify higher quality with M.I.G. since it's associated with the higher end models.

We see that the "flagship" models are of higher quality, and assume it's because of the plant they are made in, but it's more likely because of the design, construction, and materials of the particular model itself, that is just chosen to be made there. For example, I think if Casio's Frogman were made in Thailand (like the G-Shocks in Wal Mart are) instead of Japan, but to the same specifications (screwdown caseback, I.S.O. certified etc), there would not be a similiar association with Japan made Casios (Sony does the same thing with their computers- flagship line is M.I.J. while the budget notebooks are M.I.C.)!

Below is J.D. Powers' chart showing TGW for MY2005 vehicles over the last three years. I've taken the liberty of "circling" the Ford/Lincoln/Mercury results.

Wow. I've always liked the F150, and it doesn't surprise me that Ford is above average, but I wonder why such a wide spread among the FOrd family (I.E. Mercury so far ahead of Ford and Lincoln)? Obviously Mercury doesn't have versions of Ford's low end Escorts, Focus, etc, which account for more problems per 100. But Lincoln below Mercury? I guess luxury buyers are more critical, and they come with more complicated amenities to go wrong (why Lexus being #1 is all the more impressive in that regard). L.O.L. at last place- Land Rover (below KIA)!? Thanks for the link.

 

[joatmon]

I personally would rather have a German made Stihl over a U.S. made one, but I recognize that is largely mental. Considering starting at the M.S. 441's (and above) are made in Germany, it's hard NOT to identify higher quality with M.I.G. since it's associated with the higher end models.

We see that the "flagship" models are of higher quality, and assume it's because of the plant they are made in, but it's more likely because of the design, construction, and materials of the particular model itself, that is just chosen to be made there. For example, I think if Casio's Frogman were made in Thailand (like the G-Shocks in Wal Mart are) instead of Japan, but to the same specifications (screwdown caseback, I.S.O. certified etc), there would not be a similiar association with Japan made Casios (Sony does the same thing with their computers- flagship line is M.I.J. while the budget notebooks are M.I.C.)!






Wow. I've always liked the F150, and it doesn't surprise me that Ford is above average, but I wonder why such a wide spread among the FOrd family (I.E. Mercury so far ahead of Ford and Lincoln)? Obviously Mercury doesn't have versions of Ford's low end Escorts, Focus, etc, which account for more problems per 100. But Lincoln below Mercury? I guess luxury buyers are more critical, and they come with more complicated amenities to go wrong (why Lexus being #1 is all the more impressive in that regard). L.O.L. at last place- Land Rover (below KIA)!? Thanks for the link.

I'm only too happy to answer your interesting question.

First, the average Mercury driver travels an average of 621.27 miles per year (or 51.77 miles per month) so the odds of having a problem occur in the sampling period is greatly reduced.

Second, the average age of Mercury owners is 78.15 so in many cases a problem is never noticed due to diminished capabilities in the cognitive areas.

Third, at the average owners age of 78.15, the reliability and performance of say, a pacemaker, looms much larger than that of a mere automobile, so many problems are not considered "important" enough to mention.

I've hope I've been of some help to you and thanks for your question,

dr. Joat

 

[Erick]

Wow. I've always liked the F150, and it doesn't surprise me that Ford is above average, but I wonder why such a wide spread among the FOrd family (I.E. Mercury so far ahead of Ford and Lincoln)? Obviously Mercury doesn't have versions of Ford's low end Escorts, Focus, etc, which account for more problems per 100. But Lincoln below Mercury? I guess luxury buyers are more critical, and they come with more complicated amenities to go wrong (why Lexus being #1 is all the more impressive in that regard). L.O.L. at last place- Land Rover (below KIA)!? Thanks for the link.

A lot of that has to do with public perception, every Mercury model is built on a line right with it's ford counter part..... same parts, same people, same time of day, same facility.

Same thing with Chevrolet and Cadillac, same vehicles built on the same line, just differing perceptions among their buyers.

The people who buy the more expensive brands expect to be happy with them, and so they are, never mind that it is the same vehicle, built by the same people, in the same facility as that "other brand" they wouldn't even consider buying.

Kinda sad really.

 

[jlh26oo]

I'm only too happy to answer your interesting question.

First, the average Mercury driver travels an average of 621.27 miles per year (or 51.77 miles per month) so the odds of having a problem occur in the sampling period is greatly reduced.

Second, the average age of Mercury owners is 78.15 so in many cases a problem is never noticed due to diminished capabilities in the cognitive areas.

Third, at the average owners age of 78.15, the reliability and performance of say, a pacemaker, looms much larger than that of a mere automobile, so many problems are not considered "inportant" enough to mention.

I've hope I've been of some help to you and thanks for your question,

dr. Joat

R.O.F.L. you joke... but some of that is true. Actually come to think of it, my mom's Grand Marquis' RADIO does not even work- and the FORD DEALERSHIP are the ones who broke it! A.F.A.I.K. they have not submitted a formal complaint about it either so it didn't make it into that J.D. Power ranking.

(Thanks "Dr. Joat" L.O.L.)

 

[04ultra]

http://www.fordproblems.com/problems/





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[Erick]

I'm only too happy to answer your interesting question.

First, the average Mercury driver travels an average of 621.27 miles per year (or 51.77 miles per month) so the odds of having a problem occur in the sampling period is greatly reduced.

Second, the average age of Mercury owners is 78.15 so in many cases a problem is never noticed due to diminished capabilities in the cognitive areas.

Third, at the average owners age of 78.15, the reliability and performance of say, a pacemaker, looms much larger than that of a mere automobile, so many problems are not considered "inportant" enough to mention.

I've hope I've been of some help to you and thanks for your question,

dr. Joat

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[stipes]

Hummmmm....

I called Husky last week and asked this dweeb about Huskey buyin the Mcculloch name and if they was gonna start sellin the euro Macs over her now,,,I kinda like the Pro mac 72,,might be a piece of crap,I dont know,but liked what I seen,,and he refered me to this # that ,,yeah,,,you guessed it,,that was tied into the jenn feng group...I was gonna ask them some questions,,but after being on hold for almost 20 mins. I said the he** with it...

 

[joatmon]

R.O.F.L. you joke... but some of that is true. Actually come to think of it, my mom's Grand Marquis' RADIO does not even work- and the FORD DEALERSHIP are the ones who broke it! A.F.A.I.K. they have not submitted a formal complaint about it either so it didn't make it into that J.D. Power ranking.

(Thanks "Dr. Joat" L.O.L.)

You're welcome. And don't forget to pick up your presciption from the pretty nurse on the way out.

Oh, I've compted your visit, no charge, so no need to stop at the payment desk on the way out.

Have a good day,

dr. Joat

 

[Woodie]

A lot of that has to do with public perception, every Mercury model is built on a line right with it's ford counter part..... same parts, same people, same time of day, same facility.

Same thing with Chevrolet and Cadillac, same vehicles built on the same line, just differing perceptions among their buyers.

Not quite true. You have to remember that not all Fords have Mercury equivalents (Focus, F-150, etc.), and the Lincoln LS had no Ford/Mercury equivalent. Also, many Cadillacs are built in dedicated Cadillac plants.

And if you think the spread between Ford is high, check out the spread for Toyota. Its three brands range from #1 to #28. And BMW's two brands range from #7 to #25. By contrast, Ford's three brands range between #2 and #14.

The people who buy the more expensive brands expect to be happy with them, and so they are, never mind that it is the same vehicle, built by the same people, in the same facility as that "other brand" they wouldn't even consider buying.

I'm afraid the data doesn't bear this out. Otherwise, how could you explain why Land Rover, whose cheapest vehicle stickers at $36M, and whose most expensive is juuuuust shy of $100M, be the worst-rated marque in the survey? And near-luxe brands like Volvo and Saab be so miserable? And how could Mercedes be so sub-par? (Keep in mind their ranking is UP from the 2004MY survey.) Too, why is Hyundai rated well? This data is not an owner "rating" of the quality of their vehicle...it is the owner's count of TGW.

One of the things that does have some impact on the rankings is the numbers of new vehicle launches for that manufacturer during that MY. That was the first MY for Ford's redesigned Focus, a very high volume vehicle for us, the Freestyle (middle volume), and the Mustang (low-volume). None of those had Mercury equivalents. Those launches would be the biggest determinant of the varation in ratings. (The only joint launch that year was the Ford 500/Mercury Montego.)

 

[Woodie]

http://www.fordproblems.com/problems/

http://www.gmproblems.com/

BTW, GMC didn't do so well in that survey, Ultra...are they cutting back on the lockwashers?

BRAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

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