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I just ran our generato
Try marinas if want higher octane E-free.
87 octane is fine in any saws, even highly modded saws.
Try marinas if want higher octane E-free.
I've read that in the past, but never seen any hard data that it's okay. I have seen hard data, however, that lower octane in a high compression engine causes preignition.
To be honest, I'm a hobbyist, and rarely running the 391 or 460 for more than 4 or 5 hours at a time. So a couple cans of trufuel isn't the end of the world.
Besides that, after about 3 hours, by back starts to make me think seriously about whether or not I could be using the 028Super instead. ;-)
To be honest, I'm a hobbyist, and rarely running the 391 or 460 for more than 4 or 5 hours at a time. So a couple cans of trufuel isn't the end of the world.
Besides that, after about 3 hours, by back starts to make me think seriously about whether or not I could be using the 028Super instead. ;-)
I keep reading what lenghts You guys have to go to get "clean" fuel for Your equipment.
It stinks sky high like marketing garbage to increase parts sales and/or "super special won't damage Your equipment" canned fuel!
I am glad that I so far have unrestricted and hassle free access to pure high octane fuel - unleaded Euro Super 95/98.
To avoid ethanol containing fuel I once paid extra cash and refilled my car tank with 100 octane "Sports" fuel.
I don't drive a sporty car and the fuel didn't make it fly either, I just didn't want to consciously run my car on alcohol.
As long and whenever I have the choice any and all of my internal combustion equipment will be fed with pure gasoline - unless the equipments manual states otherwise!
Now, my diesel tractor I was playing with the thought to run on sunflower oil.
It stinks sky high like marketing garbage to increase parts sales and/or "super special won't damage Your equipment" canned fuel!
I am glad that I so far have unrestricted and hassle free access to pure high octane fuel - unleaded Euro Super 95/98.
To avoid ethanol containing fuel I once paid extra cash and refilled my car tank with 100 octane "Sports" fuel.
I don't drive a sporty car and the fuel didn't make it fly either, I just didn't want to consciously run my car on alcohol.
As long and whenever I have the choice any and all of my internal combustion equipment will be fed with pure gasoline - unless the equipments manual states otherwise!
Now, my diesel tractor I was playing with the thought to run on sunflower oil.
SteveSr
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So what is regular gas? Better not drink any whiskey or other alcohol! If I remember my high school chemistry ETHAanol is intoxicating but not dangerous unless you O.D. METHanol is the poisonous BAD stuff which will cause blindness.
SteveSr
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Marinas are probably an o.k. choice during boating season when the product doesn't get a chance to get old. This time of year I wouldn't be a buyer.
As was mentioned below here is the place to start looking for ethanol free gas:
http://pure-gas.org/
If you don't have any luck here the last resort is to start calling the local oil companies (fuel distributors) and ask them if they distribute ethanol free and to which local stations. I had fairly good success doing this before someone pointed me to the Pure-gas website.
I wont put ethnol gas in my saws anymore. I tried it once and went to use saw a week later and would not start. Decides to pull carb apart and check and was full of guey crap. I go by ethnol free gas everday on way to work so its convenient for me.
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I thought about tbe single gas nozle thing to so i put a few litters in the truck first.
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amberg
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sounds like you guys are not to fond of ethonal gas either. so when I get low again I will head on back down to lake anna for some more
e free gas. I will take couple more cans next time, or clean my truck diesel tank out, that will hold 50 gallons.
e free gas. I will take couple more cans next time, or clean my truck diesel tank out, that will hold 50 gallons.
I have e-free gas at a station on my way to work so all my power equip gets that. another option is if there are any racetracks in your area, you may be able to find racegas, I know its expensive I think the station that sells it close to me sells it for around $8 per gal, but still better than getting your saws drunk.
Ozarker 1
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Same here, putting a gallon in the truck first.
For those buying 100LL, the airport will also have M0-Gas, which should be ethanol free. No idea what the octane rating might be.
Idahonative
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You missed my point. It is "poisonous" to your equipment engines and should not be used IMO.
amberg
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tried some in the kohler 22 hp yesterday, seemed to run much better to me, unless I was dreaming!
Nope. I don't worry about it. And the thought of machines running better is baloney. Octanes are octanes, and they're what affects engine knock. If I paid extra for E-Free at the cost of time and extra cost per gallon I'd be blowing money on something totally not worth it.
Ethanol is not the great satan. It's what we have to use, and it will be available a lot longer than dino gas. So please stop the whining and use it. Most machine failures occur due to improper operation and maintenance. Let's face it.
Ethanol is not the great satan. It's what we have to use, and it will be available a lot longer than dino gas. So please stop the whining and use it. Most machine failures occur due to improper operation and maintenance. Let's face it.
I take it you dont repair many saws? I would say over 50% of the saws I repair are from ethanol related issues. Let's face it.
There has been plenty of testing done on many formulations of fuel line. Ethanol causes earlier fuel line & carb diaphragm failure. That's quantifiable.
The question is would you rather replace the rubber fuel components at 2 year or 5 year intervals?
If I were using 20 gallons/week in a professional setting, paying an extra $1/gal would not be worth it. I'd just settle for regular fuel system maintenance & assume I'd be replacing Tygon fuel lines after a couple years.
For me, as an amateur/hobby guy, it's worth it to put off the hassle another few years.
To each his own.
The question is would you rather replace the rubber fuel components at 2 year or 5 year intervals?
If I were using 20 gallons/week in a professional setting, paying an extra $1/gal would not be worth it. I'd just settle for regular fuel system maintenance & assume I'd be replacing Tygon fuel lines after a couple years.
For me, as an amateur/hobby guy, it's worth it to put off the hassle another few years.
To each his own.
No, you're attributing failures to ethanol. Barring you actually seeing the failure happening, you can't guarantee a failure is caused by something. I don't wish to nitpick, but that's part of being a mechanic And the reasons you repair them are more than likely due to user error, like leaving fuel in the saw for far too long and letting it do damage. That is user error.
Signed,
An Engineer.
Call it what you want but I call it using ethanol fuel in this application.
What do you think causes fuel lines that turn to goo, carb diaphragm that are stiff as a board that need a carb kit at the very least and often they need replaced because 20 minutes in my heated ultrasonic won't clear the passages in the carb?
If you are actually in fact an engineer I suggest you hit the books and find out what you are talking about here.
