Fiskars X27

[Idahonative]

It is simple, but this explains why they work well in the situations they were designed for.
My .17 cal is not the gun to take out deer hunting, but it sure is fun to blow the heck out of chipmunks with.
My x27 is like my .17 cal.
Sometimes you need more weight at half the velocity to get the job done.

Generally speaking, I would not want to shoot a deer with a 17 hmr either. But that little 17 gr. bullet would drop any deer in it's tracks if shot in the head. So shot placement has a lot to do with it as well...both with the 17 hmr and the Fiskars.

 

[svk]

I have not seen any other model than the all black around in awhile. The hatchet is the same, no marking or badging. I was most disappointed in the Stihl version, the pa 80 was/is a great maul. I can tell just by the feel the new one is not as good.

Both Walmart and my local Ace have the Darth Vader edition of these tools. The X7 I just picked up from Amazon is the traditional with the yellow grip.

 

[Magic_Man]

My experience with the x27 over the last year has been that is looses efficiency when it looses its sharp cutting edge. I honed mine back to razor sharp and it's back to as new.

 

[chipper1]

You know that's a great analogy.

Thanks, I like my analogies as most can tell just from reading this thread alone.
I try hard to make them true to the discussion at hand and that way they "hit" home, because "striking a cord" would be more in line with the harmonics I was talking about earlier in the thread.

 

[chipper1]

Both Walmart and my local Ace have the Darth Vader edition of these tools. The X7 I just picked up from Amazon is the traditional with the yellow grip.

Yellow?

 

[chipper1]

My experience with the x27 over the last year has been that is looses efficiency when it looses its sharp cutting edge. I honed mine back to razor sharp and it's back to as new.

I used to have that same problem with my saws, then I started sharpen the chains. That would be a good excuse to get a new saw, honey look no matter how hard I push down on the saw it only makes sawdust, see this utube video how his is throwing big chips and cuts so fast. Wow honey I wonder what modded means. I think I NEED one of those.

 

[Magic_Man]

I used to have that same problem with my saws, then I started sharpen the chains. That would be a good excuse to get a new saw, honey look no matter how hard I push down on the saw it only makes sawdust, see this utube video how his is throwing big chips and cuts so fast. Wow honey I wonder what modded means. I think I NEED one of those.

Or the guys that buy new chain every time one gets dull. Lol

 

[triathlete123]

There seem to be many knock-offs of the Fiskars X27, one of which is a Collins. I just have to wonder about the quality.

 

[chipper1]

Generally speaking, I would not want to shoot a deer with a 17 hmr either. But that little 17 gr. bullet would drop any deer in it's tracks if shot in the head. So shot placement has a lot to do with it as well...both with the 17 hmr and the Fiskars.

Maybe if shot in the ear or eye. Even the 20gr. bullets explode just into anything that gives any resistance at all. Personally I would rather use a 22-250 and still shoot them in the head. I don't shot anything in the body unless thats all I have a shot at.
But i do agree that shot placement can help.

I have pictures but not sure if its going to get me or the thread shut down. Not sure what the policy is here.
What do you say svk picture time?

 

[chipper1]

There seem to be many knock-offs of the Fiskars X27, one of which is a Collins. I just have to wonder about the quality.

I think that looks like a great middle of the road splitter. The composite handle would be my concern. I do have a maul and sledge that have them, and have had many missed swings and have not had a problem with either.

 

[chipper1]

Or the guys that buy new chain every time one gets dull. Lol

I used to do that, don't laugh to loud at me I may get.
But thats ok, afterwards I will recover and be like, at least the fact that he has no hair is an accurate representation of me.
It does make a great point though of how we all need to learn. Without a dad or any other men in my life that have taught me these things forums like this have become my family(in some areas of life).
Thanks guys.

 

[Idahonative]

Maybe if shot in the ear or eye. Even the 20gr. bullets explode just into anything that gives any resistance at all.
But i do agree that shot placement can help.

I have pictures but not sure if its going to get me or the thread shut down. Not sure what the policy is here.
What do you say svk picture time?

Definitely not in the ear or eye...between the eyes. A friend of mine just butchered 5 pigs for us last weekend at his farm. He shoots them with a 22 short (29 gr. bullet @ 1,080 fps) between the eyes. When he pulls the trigger it's lights out, and pigs have a heavy skull.

My family has been in the meat business since 1969. My parents used to butcher rodeo bulls that were deemed not aggressive enough. One of them got out of the pens one day and my dad had to shoot it. He used his 22-250 (55 gr. bullet) at about 25 yards away right between the eyes. I saw him shoot and I saw this 2,200 lb. bull crumple like a paper sack.

My dad chained it up on the front loader, took it into the kill floor, and commenced to butchering. He skinned the head out and I will never forget what I saw. Between the eyes, about the size of an orange, was what could only be described as a spider web. It didn't go deep into the skull but it didn't have to either because the shock was devestating. The bullet absolutely disintegrated. It looked like someone had punched the tempered glass on a car. I have never forgot that...it was my first lesson (at about 12 years old) that speed can produce some amazing power.

A 22 short and 22-250 are definitely different than a 17 hmr. But a 17 gr. bullet between the eyes at 2,550 fps would be devastating on a deer.

BTW: a 22 short develops 75 ft/lbs of energy at the muzzle. A 17 hmr develops 245 ft/lbs.

EDIT: I went hunting with my wife's uncle this last Wed. and he shot a cow elk that didn't die right away. We finished her off with my "baby Glock" 32 acp between the eyes. With only a 73 gr./984 fps/158 ft lbs of energy...she was out like a light.

 

[chipper1]

Definitely not in the ear or eye...between the eyes. A friend of mine just butchered 5 pigs for us last weekend at his farm. He shoots them with a 22 short (29 gr. bullet, 1,080 fps) between the eyes. When he pulls the trigger it's lights out, and pigs have a heavy skull.

My family has been in the meat business since 1969. My parents used to butcher rodeo bulls that were deemed not aggressive enough. One of them got out of the pens one day and my dad had to shoot it. He used his 22-250 (55 gr. bullet) at about 25 yards away right between the eyes. I saw him shoot and I saw this 2,200 lb. bull crumple like a paper sack.

My dad chained it up on the front loader, took it into the kill floor, and commenced to butchering. He skinned the head out and I will never forget what I saw. Between the eyes, about the size of an orange, was what could only be described as a spider web. It didn't go deep into the skull but it didn't have to either because the shock was devestating. The bullet absolutely disintegrated. It looked like someone had punched the tempered glass on a car. I have never forgot that...it was my first lesson (at about 12 years old) that speed can produce some amazing power.

A 22 short and 22-250 is definitely different than a 17 hmr. But a 17 gr. bullet between the eyes at 2,550 fps would be the same for the deer.

Pretty wild the bull stuff(you know what I mean lol).
Maybe, I know first hand what happens when critters(big and small) get shot in the head.
Maybe if I was to shoot them at an inch away from the barrel my results would be different. That is what you quoted is muzzle velocity and all things equal I would need to shoot the deer as your buddy did, very close to be able to make a comparison.
A high velocity 22lr will do much more damage to the head at 50yds than a 20gr .17cal will in my experience.
Maybe the shock force that would carry though would take care of them though.
Nice add on there. Once again what happens at 50 or 100yrds. I've argued stats, #'s, facts according to others personal experience, and the like. It's not about the argument, I try to learn as much as I can from those around me, but sometimes it takes a while to sink in, punn intended lol.
Here's a fun picture out my bathroom window lol.
I have others just waiting for svk to respond.

 

[Idahonative]

Pretty wild the bull stuff(you know what I mean lol).
Maybe, I know first hand what happens when critters(big and small) get shot in the head.
Maybe if I was to shoot them at an inch away from the barrel my results would be different. That is what you quoted is muzzle velocity and all things equal I would need to shoot the deer as your buddy did, very close to be able to make a comparison.
A high velocity 22lr will do much more damage to the head at 50yds than a 20gr .17cal will in my experience.
Maybe the shock force that would carry though would take care of them though.
Nice add on there. Once again what happens at 50 or 100yrds. I've argued stats, #'s, facts according to others personal experience, and the like. It's not about the argument, I try to learn as much as I can from those around me, but sometimes it takes a while to sink in, punn intended lol.
Here's a fun picture out my bathroom window lol.
I have others just waiting for svk to respond.View attachment 471411

17 HMR, 17 grain V-Max = MV 2550 fps.....2380 fps at 50 yards.....1900 fps at 100 yards.....1620 fps at 150 yards.....1378 fps at 200 yards.

17 HMR, 17 grain V-Max = ME 245 ft. lbs.....185 ft. lbs. at 50 yards.....136 ft. lbs. at 100 yards.....99 ft. lbs. at 150 yards.....72 ft. lbs. at 200 yards.

 

[chipper1]

17 HMR, 17 grain V-Max = MV 2550 fps.....2380 fps at 50 yards.....1900 fps at 100 yards.....1620 fps at 150 yards.....1378 fps at 200 yards.

Very aware of those#.
17 HMR, 17 grain V-Max = ME 245 ft. lbs.....185 ft. lbs. at 50 yards.....136 ft. lbs. at 100 yards.....99 ft. lbs. at 150 yards.....72 ft. lbs. at 200 yards.
And those lol.

. I've argued stats, #'s, facts according to others personal experience, and the like. It's not about the argument, I try to learn as much as I can from those around me, but sometimes it takes a while to sink in, punn intended lol.

 

[chipper1]

17 HMR, 17 grain V-Max = MV 2550 fps.....2380 fps at 50 yards.....1900 fps at 100 yards.....1620 fps at 150 yards.....1378 fps at 200 yards.

17 HMR, 17 grain V-Max = ME 245 ft. lbs.....185 ft. lbs. at 50 yards.....136 ft. lbs. at 100 yards.....99 ft. lbs. at 150 yards.....72 ft. lbs. at 200 yards.

Hey is that a cs-310 in your avatar.

 

[Dalmatian90]

Upon further inspection it did not say pa 80 on it, also was not stamped (oshkenpof?) in the head. Stihl must of went with a knockoff rather than rebadging. Both signs are discouraging.

I'd be curious if he got it threw the normal Stihl delivery channel (whatever that is...I presume they order their stuff direct from Stihl).

I bought some Kinco gloves this summer that I am darned convinced were cou (Holy Cow! My woodstove just had a small smoke explosion! Don't that too often -- puffed smoke out the damper like a snortin' dragon and sounded like one too!)...err, where was I? I am convinced those gloves were most likely counterfeit. Maybe Kinco reduced their standards, but I doubt it. The liner of the cuffs peeled off unlike any others I've had, and the stitches gave out way sooner.

 

[chipper1]

I'd be curious if he got it threw the normal Stihl delivery channel (whatever that is...I presume they order their stuff direct from Stihl).

I bought some Kinco gloves this summer that I am darned convinced were cou (Holy Cow! My woodstove just had a small smoke explosion! Don't that too often -- puffed smoke out the damper like a snortin' dragon and sounded like one too!)...err, where was I? I am convinced those gloves were most likely counterfeit. Maybe Kinco reduced their standards, but I doubt it. The liner of the cuffs peeled off unlike any others I've had, and the stitches gave out way sooner.

Very good chance the are lower quality or counterfeits.
Many companies get people to use there products and change the specs once people start using them. I'm not saying that some might have legitimate reason, but many do it for profit. I do not eat anything with high fructose corn syrup in it. Many of the products that did not use it in the past have started, I have to look every-time I buy them.
Others such as Walmart just use inferior products or product that have less volume in the containers at a slightly lower price. They usually tell the manufacture what they will have to do to get their products on Walmarts shelfs.

 

[svk]

Yellow?

You can call it orange if you want too.

 

[svk]

Holy ballistics derail!

In my mind, comparing a Fiskars to an 8lb maul is more like comparing a 7mm mag to a .45/70. Both will generate similar energy but one does it with speed and one does it with mass. Both have their place. I'm not going to attack elm with a Fiskars nor am I going to split a semi worth of birch with a maul.