Masterminded 362c 87 octane vs 94

[Trx250r180]

Brian,
How many hours would you estimate are on that saw in the pic with the H1r used as mix ?

Black goo oozing from my muffler wont bother me one bit ........... its the blue goo at the bottom of a cylinder base that I will allways watchout for and stay far away from

I honestly don't know ,i have 6 saws i use ,i can't even remember how long i have had it back since it was built ,i would have to see if could find the thread on it for reference it as how long i have had it , is a go to saw i use a lot ,I am not a production faller ,they normally put 25-30 hours a week on a saw i do nowhere near that i could guess less than 100 hours since it was done ,but i can not document it ,i have not kept good track ,i hear of guys getting 2000 hours out of a stihl so i am not a good guy for proving it is any better ,i would ask a production logger ,but most of them i know run stihl mix and get 2000 plus hours from a saw (but most run a lot less compression than i do ),i honestly do not know any pro fallers that run the dirt bike oil like we do ,but their saws are more mildly built then what we play with too ,i have let a few pro fallers try my saws out ,there were smiles on their faces after if that says anything

 

[Hedgerow]

It does fine. Any of them really do a good job. It's splitting hairs so much at the point between H1r, K2, R50, and Motul 800. Original techniplate is good stuff if you may be mixing with ethanol. It works with methanal and alcohol.

http://www.klotzlube.com/techsheet.asp?ID=48&submit2=View

I like a little techniplate mixed with my alcohol...
On the rocks.... 50:1
32:1 it starts tasting bad...

 

[CR500]

The bean oil in the r50? Will it leave behind more depoists than the ester oils?

R-50 is not a bean based oil... it has some of the same protection characteristics though.

" R-50 is a pure synthetic lubricant designed exclusively for use in all sustained Hi-RPM 2-stroke racing engines. R 50™ film strength is comparable to castor oil with the benefits of Clean Burn™ technology"

 

[KG441c]

R-50 is not a bean based oil... it has some of the same protection characteristics though.

" R-50 is a pure synthetic lubricant designed exclusively for use in all sustained Hi-RPM 2-stroke racing engines. R 50™ film strength is comparable to castor oil with the benefits of Clean Burn™ technology"

Ok. Wonder why it leaves alil more depoists behind?

 

[CR500]

R-50 is not a bean based oil... it has some of the same protection characteristics though.

" R-50 is a pure synthetic lubricant designed exclusively for use in all sustained Hi-RPM 2-stroke racing engines. R 50™ film strength is comparable to castor oil with the benefits of Clean Burn™ technology"

Super TechniPlate however is blended with 20% BeNOL® Racing Castor Oil.

Also for giggles lol.

R-50 mixed with Sunoco 92 E-10 fuel
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Maxima K2 freshly mixed with the same fuel

 

[CR500]

Ok. Wonder why it leaves alil more depoists behind?

Not sure my 720 open mod D&D motors always looked clean with this stuff from 32:1 and 40:1

https://www.klotzlube.com/techsheet.asp?ID=48

Super Tecniplate
https://www.klotzlube.com/techsheet.asp?ID=44&submit2=View

Benol
https://www.klotzlube.com/techsheet.asp?ID=2&submit2=View

 

[Hedgerow]

Welcome to the world of super techniplate...
This was after 2 gallons of use..

 

[Hedgerow]

http://www.arboristsite.com/community/threads/project-stumpbroke-562xp.203790/

 

[mdavlee]

I'm not going to run super. I know sachsmo gets good results while milling with it. He may get the saws hot enough to burn that off.

 

[blsnelling]

Welcome to the world of super techniplate...
This was after 2 gallons of use..

That is hideous!!! I've never seen anything like that. Are you sure something else wasn't going on?

 

[Hedgerow]

That is hideous!!! I've never seen anything like that. Are you sure something else wasn't going on?

That was a new saw given to me, along with 2 gallons of mix of super techno plate to break that saw in before Stump ported it...
I whipped that saw like a rented mule for 2 days clearing fence rows of hedge and locust trees...
To use up the last half gallon, I did nothing but set up rounds and noodle them into 9 pieces, over and over...
The daily temps were around 95 degrees... The saw was given no quarter....
Re-fill check chain and go... That test is what sold me on the 562...
Do you realize how much wood I cut on that 2 gallons of fuel!!??
Now...
You tell me what was going on..
The fuel was non eth fuel...

 

[VinceGU05]

Nothing seems better than H1R.......but it smells bad.

K2 is what we are on now. I hope I never find any reason to change again. I like settling on one thing and sticking with it.

i may have just upset that apple cart then.

 

[sunfish]

That was a new saw given to me, along with 2 gallons of mix of super techno plate to break that saw in before Stump ported it...
I whipped that saw like a rented mule for 2 days clearing fence rows of hedge and locust trees...
To use up the last half gallon, I did nothing but set up rounds and noodle them into 9 pieces, over and over...
The daily temps were around 95 degrees... The saw was given no quarter....
Re-fill check chain and go... That test is what sold me on the 562...
Do you realize how much wood I cut on that 2 gallons of fuel!!??
Now...
You tell me what was going on..
The fuel was non eth fuel...

That right there also sold me on the 562xp! It takes a hell of a lot of wood to run two gallons through a 562xp!!!

 

[Mastermind]

I honestly don't know ,i have 6 saws i use ,i can't even remember how long i have had it back since it was built ,i would have to see if could find the thread on it for reference it as how long i have had it , is a go to saw i use a lot ,I am not a production faller ,they normally put 25-30 hours a week on a saw i do nowhere near that i could guess less than 100 hours since it was done ,but i can not document it ,i have not kept good track ,i hear of guys getting 2000 hours out of a stihl so i am not a good guy for proving it is any better ,i would ask a production logger ,but most of them i know run stihl mix and get 2000 plus hours from a saw (but most run a lot less compression than i do ),i honestly do not know any pro fallers that run the dirt bike oil like we do ,but their saws are more mildly built then what we play with too ,i have let a few pro fallers try my saws out ,there were smiles on their faces after if that says anything

I posted this video Jan 21, 2013....



The reason I've not mentioned anything about what I thought of the K2 is because I've not started using it yet. I'm out of H1R as of yesterday......so I'll be mixing some fresh fuel with K2 today.

 

[blsnelling]

That was a new saw given to me, along with 2 gallons of mix of super techno plate to break that saw in before Stump ported it...
I whipped that saw like a rented mule for 2 days clearing fence rows of hedge and locust trees...
To use up the last half gallon, I did nothing but set up rounds and noodle them into 9 pieces, over and over...
The daily temps were around 95 degrees... The saw was given no quarter....
Re-fill check chain and go... That test is what sold me on the 562...
Do you realize how much wood I cut on that 2 gallons of fuel!!??
Now...
You tell me what was going on..
The fuel was non eth fuel...

I'm guessing it was more heat than the oil could handle. That crap looks baked on to me. I'm most concerned by the apparent blowby that looks to have been going on. I'm shocked to see it down the side of the piston like that.

BTW, what was the reason to break it in before porting? Seems to me it'd be better the other way around.

 

[KG441c]

I read this awhile ago and found it interesting. Ester oils are absorbed into the metal surfaces and stay there where as other oils depend on viscosity to stay put on the surfaces. Upon start up which is a high wear time, it only makes sense there will be more protection between the surfaces With the esters staying put? Less friction easier starting also?

 

[KG441c]

I posted this video Jan 21, 2013....



The reason I've not mentioned anything about what I thought of the K2 is because I've not started using it yet. I'm out of H1R as of yesterday......so I'll be mixing some fresh fuel with K2 today.

opcorn:

 

[KG441c]

I'm guessing it was more heat than the oil could handle. That crap looks baked on to me. I'm most concerned by the apparent blowby that looks to have been going on. I'm shocked to see it down the side of the piston like that.

BTW, what was the reason to break it in before porting? Seems to me it'd be better the other way around.

It looks pretty bad

 

[Trx250r180]

opcorn:

That video was before a couple more tweaks were done inside ,it revs more in the cut now and does not bog like in the video now ,not that it is bogging awfully bad ,but it runs a lot better now,i have also added the early 10mm flywheel since that video ,which helps keep the power rolled on with a longer bar

 

[Hedgerow]

I'm guessing it was more heat than the oil could handle. That crap looks baked on to me. I'm most concerned by the apparent blowby that looks to have been going on. I'm shocked to see it down the side of the piston like that.

BTW, what was the reason to break it in before porting? Seems to me it'd be better the other way around.

Stumpy's brain works differently...
He wanted to know what a well broke in stock 562 was capable of before he even opened it up...
I cut year around... Once you hit 100 degrees, that'll separate the workers from the players...
The autotune did it's job, and he was happy with the results..
Even if he did have to clean all that freaking brown goo off the P&C...
And that weren't no small task.....