l can appreciate the man hours and you need passion to complete. Beautiful sweet to look at. Nice Job!
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l can appreciate the man hours and you need passion to complete. Beautiful sweet to look at. Nice Job!
Hey Tim when you replaced the Crank bearings did you have any problems splitting the case on the saw. did it separate fairly easily and on reassembly? Looks Good .
Hi Brian,
That series of saws is almost a direct copy of a Homelite XL-12 so it's more like a Homelite than a Pioneer. Some like this one also have an auto oiler. The oiler design is like the one you would see on a 1074 (part of the drive case). Everything came apart easily except the muffler. Pretty easy to work on.
IPL attached so you can see what I mean.
That's good to hear everything went well. l have not did a total rebuild on one of those 4 digit Saws that required a case split. Maybe someday l will get excited about one. Their are a few of them here in the attic.
Looking good!
The Manual says heat the Case Bore to 200-250 degrees F before installing. That kind of heat will burn hands and probably damage new crank seal in the case. Has any one followed this procedure?
l have tested this with heat up to 185 Degree at the bore just to see what happens to seal rubber and texture of rubber and it does not appear to change physicaaly.
l have also tested buy applying enough heat just to the touch but not attempting to assemble onsaw.
l have already frozen the rest of the saw but would like to investigate or hear from the chainsaw Gurus and expierences if anyone would help me.
l have tested this with heat up to 185 Degree at the bore just to see what happens to seal rubber and texture of rubber and it does not appear to change physicaaly.
l have also tested buy applying enough heat just to the touch but not attempting to assemble onsaw.
l have already frozen the rest of the saw but would like to investigate or hear from the chainsaw Gurus and expierences if anyone would help me.
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would ya post model #, if its somethin other than fm2 ? have a yellow one here. looks farmsawish, but has western muff. tia.
don't have # on mine handy, but was posted a mo.+ ago here.
bump.
l will take Pics of what l got and send shortly
thx. found my old post. # is 494243. yours has the western muff, too, so am guessin mine is a farmsaw II. it has the grey, not black, rear handle w/"the farmsaw" decal. that could've been replaced in it's past, tho.
like that cabinet.
like that cabinet.
Yea the Grey is probably off the Original Orange Farmsaw. its all interchangeable.
A friend that restores Pioneers has picked up a number of Farmsaws with western mufflers. Likely a inventory depletion near the end.
I doubt a short duration of that heat will hurt the paint but who knows. I've had the Beauti Tone paint that high in an oven and it didn't seem to hurt it but I don't want to be the guy that was known for messing up your paint job.
The max operating temp for nitrile seals is 250F so you should be OK there. I think I would stay around 200F to be safe
I suspect that instruction may be to compensate for shops not having a press to put the bearings in.
l had success and completed the assy attaching the Fan housing to crankcase Pioneer 600. l froze the crankcase and shaft in freezer for a couple days with the PTO bearing on crank shaft. With the new seal in Fan housing and no heat ,the fan housing slipped in placed and l torques the Qty-4 nuts to 70 inch lbs.
Tim the max temp for the nitrile seals you provided is very good info because it might be requried to heat if installing the Fan Housing ,seal and bearing as a unit, which probably the Service manual is referring to for the 600 series saws. l would still freeze the Crankcase and shaft.
The Bearings drop nicely into the pockets with very little heat though , which l found out. unlike the P-series saws from my expierence.
No press is needed here in either case.
Tim the max temp for the nitrile seals you provided is very good info because it might be requried to heat if installing the Fan Housing ,seal and bearing as a unit, which probably the Service manual is referring to for the 600 series saws. l would still freeze the Crankcase and shaft.
The Bearings drop nicely into the pockets with very little heat though , which l found out. unlike the P-series saws from my expierence.
No press is needed here in either case.
best lookin pioneer ever, imo.
Pioneer tool?
lt has been in my tool arsenault for some time. Their is no pioneer part numbers on it. its a go to favorite of mine.
It's a pretty slick tool.
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