THALL10326
The Champ
How'd you know I was sitting here sipping Folgers out of my glass, you got a hidden camera in my house, dayumm I better quit sitting around in my Fruit of the Looms,LOL
The Genius of Stihl, an Amazing Story
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How'd you know I was sitting here sipping Folgers out of my glass, you got a hidden camera in my house, dayumm I better quit sitting around in my Fruit of the Looms,LOL
manual
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Now that is interesting.
Sounds like Dolmar has a rivalry going on.
Solo ya say Now I did not Know Thy were even making saws at that time.
Sounds like Dolmar has a rivalry going on.
Solo ya say Now I did not Know Thy were even making saws at that time.
OLY-JIM
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Now hol da phone dere Tom...I thought you drank that Folgers out of Mason Fruit Jar? This changes everything...I'm gonna have to re-think this matter! :hmm3grin2orange:
THALL10326
The Champ
I didn't either, I'm just referring to what the book says. It claims Dolmar even insisted on a restraining order of a brochure Stihl had out making the claim. Stihl showed his numbers and that was that, the suit was dropped.
The exact quote in the book is quote "Stihl succeeds in proving that it produces more saws than any other German manufacture", unquote. I guess they were going at it pretty hot and heavy there for a spell.
THALL10326
The Champ
Well my old gallon mason jar, the one with Ball written across it, is out in the car. Too cold to run out there so I'm making do with this little 96 ounce glass I got here,LOL
manual
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Notice he never claims to produce more saws then that Swedish manfacture.
Smart man eh.
THALL10326
The Champ
Notice that Swedish manufacture just built its first saw in 1959, Stihl was at it in 1927, safe to say with a 32 year head start that other manufacture was still in diapers while Stihl was wearing the pants, I couldn't resist,LOLOL
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Since when is Poo-lan a saw? :monkey:
OLY-JIM
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Red says it's the bestest saw ever made. Must be hard for ole Manual having to have good ole Red as his spokesman! No wonder Tom adopted him!
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In 1954, Jonsered produced the prototype for today's modern chain saw when the world's first light, one-man chain saw was presented. The brush cutter arrived the following year and the innovations have followed one after another ever since.
Jonsered is an old, traditional industrial community by the Säve river outside Gothenburg, Sweden. Jonsered's factories were established here in 1834. By the 1880's the manufacture of wood processing machinery had started, leading towards the products Jonsered manufacture today.
I'm afraid Stihl is making false claims about making the first one man saw.
Maybe Stihls first one man saw was made in 1959.
But Jonsered was the first.
manual
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seeing that Jonsered Co. Is 174 years old. and has always been in forestry.
who's your daddy now
Stihl was not even a wet dream yet. LOLTHALL10326
The Champ
seeing that Jonsered Co. Is 174 years old. and has always been in forestry.
who's your daddy now
LOL, oh my I'm gonna have to take you to task on your own post. You need to read it again. J'red built a "protoytype", in 1954. Once again your adding the muskets and lord knows what else they made a 100 years before. A woodworking machine is not a chainsaw, it could be a axe,LOL
THALL10326
The Champ
Don't worry Jim, I adopted that boy and I'm gonna make him a Stihl man if it kills him,LOL
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manual
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I don't care how you look at it. Jonsered made the first one.
Jonsered "PRODUCED" Meaning sold there prototype of a one man chainsaw.
That is a model XA FIRST saw made in 1954 and was discontinued in 1960
The Jonsered XB came out in 1957
The Jonsered Xc came out in 1955
The Jonsered XD came out in 1958
NOW thats four different ONE MAN Models before Stihl claimed to make the first one
Ya Ya, Stihl tries to improve it. and came out with one the same time Husky did.
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THALL10326
The Champ
I don't care how you look at it. Jonsered made the first one.
Ya Ya, Stihl tries to improve it. and came out with one the same time Husky did.
A prototype is a wet dream Manual, its something on the drawing board, not for sale. Now tell me, Stihl had a German boxer as pet, what kinda pet did Jonsered have,hehe
manual
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I don't care how you look at it. Jonsered made the first one.
Jonsered "PRODUCED" Meaning sold there prototype of a one man chainsaw.
That is a model XA FIRST saw made in 1954 and was discontinued in 1960
The Jonsered XB came out in 1957
The Jonsered Xc came out in 1955
The Jonsered XD came out in 1958
NOW thats four different ONE MAN Models before Stihl claimed to make the first one
Ya Ya, Stihl tries to improve it. and came out with one the same time Husky did.
Does this look like something that was not sold ?
Model: XA
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MANUFACTURED BY: JONSEREDS FABRIKERS AB
PARTILLE, SWEDEN
SERIES OR ASSEMBLY NUMBER:
YEAR INTRODUCED: 1954
YEAR DISCONTINUED: 1960
ENGINE DISPLACEMENT: 50cc (3.05 cu. in.)
NUMBER OF CYLINDERS: 1
CYLINDER BORE: 39.7mm (1.56 in.)
PISTON STROKE: 40mm (1.57 in.)
CYLINDER TYPE: Chrome plated aluminum
INTAKE METHOD: Rotary valve
MANUFACTURER ADVERTISED H.P.: 1.3kw @ 4500 rpm
WEIGHT : 10kg (22lbs.)
OPERATOR CONFIGURATION: One Man operation
HANDLEBAR SYSTEM: Rigid
CHAIN BRAKE: none
CLUTCH: Centrifugal
DRIVE TYPE: Gear reduction
CONSTRUCTION: Die cast magnesium
MAGNETO TYPE: none
CARBURETOR: Injector
MAJOR REPAIR KIT:
MINOR REPAIR KIT:
AIR FILTER SYSTEM: Metallic screen
STARTER TYPE: Automatic rewind
OIL PUMP: Manual
OPERATING RPM: 6000
IGNITION TIMING: Diesel
BREAKER POINT SETTING: none
FLYWHEEL/COIL AIR GAP:
SPARK PLUG TYPE: none
SPARK PLUG GAP:
CRANKSHAFT MAIN BEARINGS: Ball
FUEL TANK CAPACITY: 1.3 litres
FUEL OIL RATIO: 10:1
RECOMMENDED FUEL OCTANE: Diesel, Kerosene or gasoline
MIX OIL SPECIFICATION: SAE 50 or SAE 60
CHAIN PITCH: 12.7mm (.500in) 1/2"
CHAIN TYPE: Chipper
BAR MOUNT PATTERN:
SHORTEST GUIDE BAR SUPPLIED: 48 cm (19 in.)
LONGEST GUIDE BAR SUPPLIED:
COLOUR SCHEME: Green
PAINT CODES:
ILLUSTRATED PARTS LIST:
SERVICE MANUAL:
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COMMENTS: Runs on Diesel fuel, Kerosene or gasoline mixed with oil. To start a glow plug must be heated with a built in propane heating system.
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THALL10326
The Champ
Would you buy that thing,LOL Do you know where they put the propane to start it, in the handle pipe. Like that old commercail, Smart, Real Smart.
The BL came out in 1950 for sale to the public, next,LOL
The pet Jonsered had was a Husky,LOL
Model: BL
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MANUFACTURED BY: STIHL ANDREAS MASCHINENFABRIK
STUTTGART, GERMANY
SERIES OR ASSEMBLY NUMBER:
YEAR INTRODUCED: 1950
YEAR DISCONTINUED: 1959
ENGINE DISPLACEMENT: 125 ccm (7.6 cu. in.)
NUMBER OF CYLINDERS: 1
CYLINDER BORE:
PISTON STROKE:
CYLINDER TYPE: Aluminum with replaceable steel liner
INTAKE METHOD: Piston ported
MANUFACTURER ADVERTISED H.P.: 4.5
WEIGHT : 16kg
OPERATOR CONFIGURATION: One Man operation
HANDLEBAR SYSTEM: Rigid
CHAIN BRAKE: none
CLUTCH: Centrifugal
DRIVE TYPE: Gear reduction
CONSTRUCTION: Sand cast mangesium
MAGNETO TYPE: Flywheel type
CARBURETOR: All position
MAJOR REPAIR KIT:
MINOR REPAIR KIT:
AIR FILTER SYSTEM:
STARTER TYPE:
OIL PUMP: Automatic
OPERATING RPM:
IGNITION TIMING:
BREAKER POINT SETTING:
FLYWHEEL/COIL AIR GAP:
SPARK PLUG TYPE:
SPARK PLUG GAP:
CRANKSHAFT MAIN BEARINGS:
FUEL TANK CAPACITY:
FUEL OIL RATIO:
RECOMMENDED FUEL OCTANE:
MIX OIL SPECIFICATION:
CHAIN PITCH:
CHAIN TYPE: Stihl scratcher
BAR MOUNT PATTERN:
SHORTEST GUIDE BAR SUPPLIED: 40cm (16 in.)
LONGEST GUIDE BAR SUPPLIED: 80cm (32 in.)
COLOUR SCHEME: Grey and Black enamel
PAINT CODES:
ILLUSTRATED PARTS LIST:
SERVICE MANUAL:
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MANUFACTURED BY: STIHL ANDREAS MASCHINENFABRIK
STUTTGART, GERMANY
SERIES OR ASSEMBLY NUMBER:
YEAR INTRODUCED: 1950
YEAR DISCONTINUED: 1959
ENGINE DISPLACEMENT: 125 ccm (7.6 cu. in.)
NUMBER OF CYLINDERS: 1
CYLINDER BORE:
PISTON STROKE:
CYLINDER TYPE: Aluminum with replaceable steel liner
INTAKE METHOD: Piston ported
MANUFACTURER ADVERTISED H.P.: 4.5
WEIGHT : 16kg
OPERATOR CONFIGURATION: One Man operation
HANDLEBAR SYSTEM: Rigid
CHAIN BRAKE: none
CLUTCH: Centrifugal
DRIVE TYPE: Gear reduction
CONSTRUCTION: Sand cast mangesium
MAGNETO TYPE: Flywheel type
CARBURETOR: All position
MAJOR REPAIR KIT:
MINOR REPAIR KIT:
AIR FILTER SYSTEM:
STARTER TYPE:
OIL PUMP: Automatic
OPERATING RPM:
IGNITION TIMING:
BREAKER POINT SETTING:
FLYWHEEL/COIL AIR GAP:
SPARK PLUG TYPE:
SPARK PLUG GAP:
CRANKSHAFT MAIN BEARINGS:
FUEL TANK CAPACITY:
FUEL OIL RATIO:
RECOMMENDED FUEL OCTANE:
MIX OIL SPECIFICATION:
CHAIN PITCH:
CHAIN TYPE: Stihl scratcher
BAR MOUNT PATTERN:
SHORTEST GUIDE BAR SUPPLIED: 40cm (16 in.)
LONGEST GUIDE BAR SUPPLIED: 80cm (32 in.)
COLOUR SCHEME: Grey and Black enamel
PAINT CODES:
ILLUSTRATED PARTS LIST:
SERVICE MANUAL:
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Model: BLK
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MANUFACTURED BY: STIHL ANDREAS MASCHINENFABRIK
STUTTGART, GERMANY
SERIES OR ASSEMBLY NUMBER:
YEAR INTRODUCED: 1954
YEAR DISCONTINUED: 1973
ENGINE DISPLACEMENT: 98 ccm (6.0 cu. in.)
NUMBER OF CYLINDERS: 1
CYLINDER BORE: 54mm (2.16 in.)
PISTON STROKE: 46mm (1.8 in.)
CYLINDER TYPE: Aluminum with chrome plated bore
INTAKE METHOD: Reed valve
MANUFACTURER ADVERTISED H.P.: 3.5
WEIGHT : 11kg (24.2 lbs.)
OPERATOR CONFIGURATION: One Man operation
HANDLEBAR SYSTEM: Rigid
CHAIN BRAKE: none
CLUTCH: Centrifugal
DRIVE TYPE: Bevel gear transmission
CONSTRUCTION: Die cast magnesium
MAGNETO TYPE: Bosch MZ/UP 1/115/2
CARBURETOR: Tillotson HL-36A (early models used Bing)
MAJOR REPAIR KIT: na
MINOR REPAIR KIT: DG-1HL
AIR FILTER SYSTEM:
STARTER TYPE: Automatic rewind
OIL PUMP: Automatic, worm gear driven
OPERATING RPM: 5,500 produced chain speed of 11m/sec
IGNITION TIMING: 3.0mm before TDC
BREAKER POINT SETTING: 0.4mm (0.016 in.)
FLYWHEEL/COIL AIR GAP:
SPARK PLUG TYPE: Bosch W 225 T 7
SPARK PLUG GAP: 0.51mm (0.020 in.)
CRANKSHAFT MAIN BEARINGS: 4 ball type
FUEL TANK CAPACITY:
FUEL OIL RATIO: 25:1 for first 100 hours, 30:1 thereafter
RECOMMENDED FUEL OCTANE: Regular
MIX OIL SPECIFICATION: Castrol 2-stroke SAE 40
CHAIN PITCH: 1/2 in.
CHAIN TYPE: Chipper
BAR MOUNT PATTERN:
SHORTEST GUIDE BAR SUPPLIED: 30cm (12 in.)
LONGEST GUIDE BAR SUPPLIED: 61cm (24 in.)
COLOUR SCHEME: Red enamel
PAINT CODES:
ILLUSTRATED PARTS LIST:
SERVICE MANUAL:
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MANUFACTURED BY: STIHL ANDREAS MASCHINENFABRIK
STUTTGART, GERMANY
SERIES OR ASSEMBLY NUMBER:
YEAR INTRODUCED: 1954
YEAR DISCONTINUED: 1973
ENGINE DISPLACEMENT: 98 ccm (6.0 cu. in.)
NUMBER OF CYLINDERS: 1
CYLINDER BORE: 54mm (2.16 in.)
PISTON STROKE: 46mm (1.8 in.)
CYLINDER TYPE: Aluminum with chrome plated bore
INTAKE METHOD: Reed valve
MANUFACTURER ADVERTISED H.P.: 3.5
WEIGHT : 11kg (24.2 lbs.)
OPERATOR CONFIGURATION: One Man operation
HANDLEBAR SYSTEM: Rigid
CHAIN BRAKE: none
CLUTCH: Centrifugal
DRIVE TYPE: Bevel gear transmission
CONSTRUCTION: Die cast magnesium
MAGNETO TYPE: Bosch MZ/UP 1/115/2
CARBURETOR: Tillotson HL-36A (early models used Bing)
MAJOR REPAIR KIT: na
MINOR REPAIR KIT: DG-1HL
AIR FILTER SYSTEM:
STARTER TYPE: Automatic rewind
OIL PUMP: Automatic, worm gear driven
OPERATING RPM: 5,500 produced chain speed of 11m/sec
IGNITION TIMING: 3.0mm before TDC
BREAKER POINT SETTING: 0.4mm (0.016 in.)
FLYWHEEL/COIL AIR GAP:
SPARK PLUG TYPE: Bosch W 225 T 7
SPARK PLUG GAP: 0.51mm (0.020 in.)
CRANKSHAFT MAIN BEARINGS: 4 ball type
FUEL TANK CAPACITY:
FUEL OIL RATIO: 25:1 for first 100 hours, 30:1 thereafter
RECOMMENDED FUEL OCTANE: Regular
MIX OIL SPECIFICATION: Castrol 2-stroke SAE 40
CHAIN PITCH: 1/2 in.
CHAIN TYPE: Chipper
BAR MOUNT PATTERN:
SHORTEST GUIDE BAR SUPPLIED: 30cm (12 in.)
LONGEST GUIDE BAR SUPPLIED: 61cm (24 in.)
COLOUR SCHEME: Red enamel
PAINT CODES:
ILLUSTRATED PARTS LIST:
SERVICE MANUAL:
THALL10326
The Champ
Dayumm Stihl had two already by 1954, hmm. Let me check my book,haha
