Why are flippy caps hated?

[RAMROD48]

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Gonna give you rep for that one if i can!!!

 

[RAMROD48]

I find it hard to believe that "O-great one" spacemule and his super chainsawing powers has to be bothered taking a file to the woods with him....


I actually am having a tuff time believing that they have trees in HE!!...but if he says so....

Just cant believe a super hero/zero such as himself would ever dull a chain...

 

[ropensaddle]

I know the stihl engineer must be inspector gadget All that emphasis put into a poorly designed cap and absolutely none toward air filtration<a href="http://www.sweetim.com/s.asp?im=gen&lpver=3&ref=11" target="_blank"><img src="http://content.sweetim.com/sim/cpie/emoticons/0002014F.gif" border="0" title="Click to get more." ></a>

 

[RAMROD48]

I know the stihl engineer must be inspector gadget All that emphasis put into a poorly designed cap and absolutely none toward air filtration<a href="http://www.sweetim.com/s.asp?im=gen&lpver=3&ref=11" target="_blank"><img src="http://content.sweetim.com/sim/cpie/emoticons/0002014F.gif" border="0" title="Click to get more." ></a>

lets see....

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51/55 (with the snap fit filter)
335

I know I am missing some....but those are what I worked on yestarday....

All pi55 poor filter designs...yeah that top cover does a great job of holding the filters in place....

 

[ropensaddle]

lets see....

50
51/55 (with the snap fit filter)
335

I know I am missing some....but those are what I worked on yestarday....

All pi55 poor filter designs...yeah that top cover does a great job of holding the filters in place....

I won't argue there I agree but the saws with air injection sure are a step in the right direction:monkey:

 

[derwoodii]

Theres ya problem sport

I had a look at my bust one. The weak link is the small amount of plastic that holds together the two parts.
Strewth its only wafer thin and its gotta hold up to a lot of twistin from blokes like us.
This ones only 6 month old off a 310 and used very little my other was about a year used more on a 025.
That weenie little horse shoe link on the round white plastic tab all that keeps these bits together.

 

[Slamm]

I had a look at my bust one. The weak link is the small amount of plastic that holds together the two parts.
Strewth its only wafer thin and its gotta hold up to a lot of twistin from blokes like us.
This ones only 6 month old off a 310 and used very little my other was about a year used more on a 025.
That weenie little horse shoe link on the round white plastic tab all that keeps these bits together.

And you broke this HOW?????

I have several saws that get used in logging with flip caps and I have zero problems with them, while other people are breaking them????

Honestly, are you guys knowingly doing something stupid with them and then blaming it on poor engineering? How do you break a flip cap, under normal and even harder use? Without involving something like a screwdriver (which is photo'd) I don't see how you actually broke a cap. And claim you found the problem as being that "weenie horseshoe" plastic deal, ???????

I stand amazed,

Sam

 

[derwoodii]

Amazed, well so am I. Just put em in turn em to seat "not hard" n snap they go. Both were oil caps on 310 and 025. At a work shop today of a medium tree contractor who had many busted on the service bench just the same. The mechanic who sees a lot of saws says perhaps a bad batch run as some last life of saw other fail in a month.

I like them when all going good & happy you got no probs with yours as reckon a great idea. I just found this weakness when looking closer at design today.

The s-drivers just a prop to hold angle for the pic shot.

 

[ropensaddle]

And you broke this HOW?????

I have several saws that get used in logging with flip caps and I have zero problems with them, while other people are breaking them????

Honestly, are you guys knowingly doing something stupid with them and then blaming it on poor engineering? How do you break a flip cap, under normal and even harder use? Without involving something like a screwdriver (which is photo'd) I don't see how you actually broke a cap. And claim you found the problem as being that "weenie horseshoe" plastic deal, ???????

I stand amazed,

Sam

I have several,they are not broke yet but I can fully understand how they get that way. My br600 worked about three weeks proper now it does not want to come out of the dirt funnel hole of poor engineering it takes twisting it back and forth several time and popping lever several times and then pulling to get the sob out of the misengineered hole. this is the same on my two polesaws. the ms200 has a seating problem, I get it seated but here is my professional opinion, they suck,poorly engineered garbage and a dirt funnel hole of saw death. Forget having to use a scrench as these caps to work proper need blowed out with compressed air so dirt don,t enter tanks. <a href="http://www.sweetim.com/s.asp?im=gen&lpver=3&ref=11" target="_blank"><img src="http://content.sweetim.com/sim/cpie/emoticons/00020148.gif" border="0" title="Click to get more." ></a>PS: may as well strap air compressor to your back blow caps at each refill and filters too!

 

[ropensaddle]

Dear stihl, with near half of your users not liking the flippy cap why to you still produce this garbage? I would feel that user feedback would determine engineering changes, or should to create the best saw. Your competitors create a superior design and is merely time separating them from taking a huge share of your professional market. On a personal note to the engineer of the flippy: You sir are a person that likely starves to death for attempting to create a better spoon:monkey: Please sir, do the world a favor and leave the screw alone as, Its worked for thousands of years without you<a href="http://www.sweetim.com/s.asp?im=gen&lpver=3&ref=11" target="_blank"><img src="http://content.sweetim.com/sim/cpie/emoticons/000203FC.gif" border="0" title="Click to get more." ></a> It is my hope that by reading this you will see the error of your analretentive ways and grow toward a better solution of bigger problems such as, air filtraition and vibration, where your engineering may have a more copacetic outcome. <a href="http://www.sweetim.com/s.asp?im=gen&lpver=3&ref=11" target="_blank"><img src="http://content.sweetim.com/sim/cpie/emoticons/000203F2.gif" border="0" title="Click to get more." ></a>

 

[Butch(OH)]

THEY SUCK!

It's too hard to seat them and even if you do you still aren't sure they REALLY ARE seated! Twice I've gotten to the tree and felt the wonderful oil on my leg!

They are flimsy and cheap feeling as well as break too easily! Now I have to be uber sensitive to not over tighten them, but have to make sure they are tight enough!

They are expensive! The last one I bought was over $10, that's BS for a damn gas or oil cap!

Over engineered pieces of crap!

And they SUCK!

Says it well enough for me, tx for saving my typing finger(s) redneck.

 

[woodbooga]

Dear stihl, with near half of your users not liking the flippy cap why to you still produce this garbage? I would feel that user feedback would determine engineering changes, or should to create the best saw. Your competitors create a superior design and is merely time separating them from taking a huge share of your professional market. On a personal note to the engineer of the flippy: You sir are a person that likely starves to death for attempting to create a better spoon:monkey: Please sir, do the world a favor and leave the screw alone as, Its worked for thousands of years without you<a href="http://www.sweetim.com/s.asp?im=gen&lpver=3&ref=11" target="_blank"><img src="http://content.sweetim.com/sim/cpie/emoticons/000203FC.gif" border="0" title="Click to get more." ></a> It is my hope that by reading this you will see the error of your analretentive ways and grow toward a better solution of bigger problems such as, air filtraition and vibration, where your engineering may have a more copacetic outcome. <a href="http://www.sweetim.com/s.asp?im=gen&lpver=3&ref=11" target="_blank"><img src="http://content.sweetim.com/sim/cpie/emoticons/000203F2.gif" border="0" title="Click to get more." ></a>

Serious question. Open to one and all - especially anyone that might have some insight into the nuts and bolts of the manufacture process, or maybe the marketing types who might see these features as part of an overall branding strategy:

What would prohibit the company from giving consumers the choice between the new caps and the 'classic' version? Clearly, some are passionate about the old ones. And the new ones have their proponents, too.

I would imagine that the manufacture capacity doesn't exist - that is, the fabrication process is set up for one, and there isn't a built-in flexibility that would allow the same machine to make saws compatible with both.

Or maybe not. Maybe it's a branding thing - part of the overall "Stihl is a leader in innovation and engineering" message they like to communicate.

In an ideal world (which this is not) potential customers would have a choice and the market would be the final arbiter.

As it is now, the non-flippy person wanting a Stihl has the option of embracing/tolerating the caps to get the product he wants - or is faced with the option of going with another brand.

Just a dispassionate, disinterested, and objective look at the business side, I guess.

THALL - you might be able to generate more light than heat on this.

 

[ropensaddle]

Serious question. Open to one and all - especially anyone that might have some insight into the nuts and bolts of the manufacture process, or maybe the marketing types who might see these features as part of an overall branding strategy:

What would prohibit the company from giving consumers the choice between the new caps and the 'classic' version? Clearly, some are passionate about the old ones. And the new ones have their proponents, too.

I would imagine that the manufacture capacity doesn't exist - that is, the fabrication process is set up for one, and there isn't a built-in flexibility that would allow the same machine to make saws compatible with both.

Or maybe not. Maybe it's a branding thing - part of the overall "Stihl is a leader in innovation and engineering" message they like to communicate.

In an ideal world (which this is not) potential customers would have a choice and the market would be the final arbiter.

As it is now, the non-flippy person wanting a Stihl has the option of embracing/tolerating the caps to get the product he wants - or is faced with the option of going with another brand.

Just a dispassionate, disinterested, and objective look at the business side, I guess.

THALL - you might be able to generate more light than heat on this.

The best idea came a few pages back and combined the screwy with the flippy I also thought of a similar idea where at least the hole was the same so people not wanting gadgets could swap them in for regular screw in types. I think if this was done at conception of the flippy market may have told actual truths with favor toward the screwy but it is merely my opinion and speculation. I remember something about a lawsuit causing the flippy to remain but may be mistaken. It seems in my mind proper engineering would be to have made the hole swappable with older style caps but then again I am just a user and I guess user's have no say in a stihl product.

 

[pgg]

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[Anthony_Va.]

Bump! <a href="http://www.sweetim.com/s.asp?im=gen&lpver=3&ref=11" target="_blank"><img src="http://cdn.content.sweetim.com/sim/cpie/emoticons/0002043F.gif" border="0" title="Click to get more." ></a>

 

[2000ssm6]

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The tan bear has to be Rope, born in a zoo, LOLOL. I bet a monkey can operate a flip can.:monkey:

 

[ropensaddle]

The tan bear has to be Rope, born in a zoo, LOLOL. I bet a monkey can operate a flip can.:monkey:

HA HA HA HA I can operate them when they work but they have a habit of screwing up.
Brown bear flippy cap lover<a href="http://www.sweetim.com/s.asp?im=gen&lpver=3&ref=11" target="_blank"><img src="http://content.sweetim.com/sim/cpie/emoticons/000203FA.gif" border="0" title="Click to get more." ></a>

 

[SawTroll]

To me, the flippy caps just mean that you need to do a bit more cleaning - like one minute a day at most + you never can over-tighten them.....

Not much to quarrel about, imo! :greenchainsaw:

 

[StihlyinEly]

Not much to quarrel about, imo! :greenchainsaw:

Where's the fun in that?

 

[SawTroll]

Where's the fun in that?

This is nothing but a long overdebated subject, that no longer is any fun to make fun of Stihl about (did I get that right? - :greenchainsaw.....

Also, those caps aren't a real issue, actually I tend to like them!