Poll Pro-mod, Anti-mod, Neutral

[Justsaws]

So where are people at when it comes to modding saw, either just muffler or port work?

Anyone willing to belly up to the bar and say why?

Large production saws, if a person wants it modded than more power to them.

Classic getting rarer everyday saws, NO. I do not even want them "restored" as I enjoy the story that the battle scars tell.

I have got some 036s,066s, and such that are modified and enjoy them. It does not really matter to me other than the greed for chain speed and relative smoothness does get addictive. The greatest mod would be a more powerful engine with half the noise as the increased noise is my major objection.

 

[Gologit]

The sun was shining and...

I couldn't wait 'til Monday to try the Slingr' modded 660. I found some big DF and cedar culls to buck..I didn't measure them but I'm 5'10'' and I couldn't see over them.

What I noticed most was how much easier the saw ran. I had a 36" bar and full comp semi chisel, a firewood setup really, and usually that's about all the stock 66 wants to pull with any authority in decent sized wood. With what Jasha refers to as a "mild woods port" the saw had grunt to spare. Can you bog it down? Sure, if you reef on it enough to abuse it but it's hard to do. If you just let it eat you can put quite a bit of pressure on it before it slows down. It's not a huge gain over dead stock but it's very noticeable.
Fuel consumption seemed about the same. It might have used a tad more than stock but you'd have to measure the difference with an eye dropper...not enough to really matter.
I'm more than satisfied.
Monday it goes to the woods and we'll see how it does with the real deal and skip chain. I don't think there's anything to worry about, though.

 

[joesawer]

I couldn't wait 'til Monday to try the Slingr' modded 660. I found some big DF and cedar culls to buck..I didn't measure them but I'm 5'10'' and I couldn't see over them.

What I noticed most was how much easier the saw ran. I had a 36" bar and full comp semi chisel, a firewood setup really, and usually that's about all the stock 66 wants to pull with any authority in decent sized wood. With what Jasha refers to as a "mild woods port" the saw had grunt to spare. Can you bog it down? Sure, if you reef on it enough to abuse it but it's hard to do. If you just let it eat you can put quite a bit of pressure on it before it slows down. It's not a huge gain over dead stock but it's very noticeable.
Fuel consumption seemed about the same. It might have used a tad more than stock but you'd have to measure the difference with an eye dropper...not enough to really matter.
I'm more than satisfied.
Monday it goes to the woods and we'll see how it does with the real deal and skip chain. I don't think there's anything to worry about, though.

I love taking a brand new clean saw and voiding the warrenty.
It is a good thing you didn't play with any of Jasha's ugly step children (Huskys) or you might have been converted to the dark side.

 

[Erick]

I agree, and have the same viewpoint. 3 seconds per cut X 140 cuts per day X 5 days a week X 4 weeks in a month... =8400 seconds or 140 minutes or 2 1/3 hours.

I'll go one farther

8400 seconds / 17 a cut = 494 more cuts made in the same days work per month

494 cuts / 4 weeks = 123 extra cuts per week

Assuming your 140 cuts are in an 8 hour day running a modded saw is like working 7 hours on Saturday and never having to leave the house.


You'd be silly not to run a modded saw for production cutting. :dunno:


Oh and BTW even a conservative mod will pretty much Guarantee a 20% gain over stock so your time off of your 20 second cut would be 16 seconds minimum not 17 seconds and probably more like 14 or 15 with a good builder....... now you won't have to work Sundays either.

 

[CHEVYTOWN13]

Having just ported(non-blue printed and mild porting) the 5100 and seeing the difference in cuts versus stock the past several days cutting oak, I can honestly say it's faster, stronger and for some crazy reason, it's not running as hot as it used too. Before, I could feel the heat from the muffler. I'm sure in a production environment, it would be different. But for cutting firewood, the heat was not that significant as it once was.

Rick

 

[redprospector]

Ah, but you're burning more gas per cut (actually...dumping it into the air) so you'll be filling up more for the same wood cut



Oh, wait.... If you do 140 cuts per day (17 seconds each), then you're only cutting for 39.666 minutes anyhow. Do you go home 7 minutes earlier?:greenchainsaw:

It's easy to throw theories around, and blow holes in numbers pulled out of the air. Here's what I learned in the real world.
Felling, limbing, & bucking to length pecker poles that averaged paying $3.00 per tree, my daily tree count went up an average of 9 trees per day. The only difference was that I had my saw modified.
An average of 9 trees a day times an average of $3.00 each, that's an increase of $27.00 a day, or $135.00 a week, or $540.00 a month.
I don't think I burned that much extra gas, and I guess it didn't take too long to fill up one extra time a day. Of course I didn't stop to smell the flower's when I filled up, I just stepped on them on my way to the next tree.

Andy

 

[parrisw]

It's easy to throw theories around, and blow holes in numbers pulled out of the air. Here's what I learned in the real world.
Felling, limbing, & bucking to length pecker poles that averaged paying $3.00 per tree, my daily tree count went up an average of 9 trees per day. The only difference was that I had my saw modified.
An average of 9 trees a day times an average of $3.00 each, that's an increase of $27.00 a day, or $135.00 a week, or $540.00 a month.
I don't think I burned that much extra gas, and I guess it didn't take too long to fill up one extra time a day. Of course I didn't stop to smell the flower's when I filled up, I just stepped on them on my way to the next tree.

Andy

Yup, real world experience is what we like to hear. I think there are enough people running modded saws then know what their doing to make a educated decision on if modding saws helps production or not.

 

[Gologit]

I love taking a brand new clean saw and voiding the warrenty.
It is a good thing you didn't play with any of Jasha's ugly step children (Huskys) or you might have been converted to the dark side.

I just kept not looking at the Huskys when I was in his shop.

Besides...this is my last saw. When it's done, I'm done.

 

[bigbadbob]

I'm good at gutting mufflers, have cleaned up and widened some ports. Cleaned up some windows to.
Seems to make a big difference. I have two extra good 066 cylinders I may play with. Just have to make some time. Would like to watch a pro grind on a p&c.

 

[willsaw4beer]

I'm good at gutting mufflers, have cleaned up and widened some ports. Cleaned up some windows to.
Seems to make a big difference. I have two extra good 066 cylinders I may play with. Just have to make some time. Would like to watch a pro grind on a p&c.

:agree2:

 

[Bowtie]

I am all for modding. I dont do a whole lot more that cleaning up ports, muffler modding, and a few other things, but I have ported a couple with good results. The first port job I got lucky on, and learned a lesson. I also understand the guy that is happy with a stock saw. But I see too many improvements that can be made on most any piece of machinery to not do some of them, I guess thats why i am a mechanic.

 

[pbtree]

Anti-mod. Guys that modify saws are egotistical jerks.

Thats me!

 

[edisto]

I aspire to be an egotistical jerk someday!

For me, modding is simply a way to get more for less. My computer has a 3 GHz processor, but I upgraded the cooling, and run it at 3.8 GHz. For a lot of firearms (especially blackpowder) the difference in price is in how well finished the parts are...a few hours "machining" parts to a mirror finish (and refinishing the stock) gives you a high-quality piece for less.

Needed a 30# class fishing reel, so I bought a 15# class reel, and upgraded the pre-load springs, and changed the drag washer from canvas to carbon fiber. The frame is #30 class, the parts were not.

Now it's chainsaws. I'm starting with a Husky 61, and once I get through Jennings book a few more times, for a lot less than a 272, I'll have ported 272.

The engineers do know what they are doing, but in a lot of cases their goals are keeping costs down through ease of manufacture, which leaves some room for improvement. If they were focused entirely on performance, the saws would be a lot more expensive.

Of course, all this rationalization will probably go out the window once I get going, and I'll wind up with something less functional and more noisy than it should be...

 

[trimmmed]

Victim of circumstance, eh? That's a good story...I'll have to remember it.

BTW, I just got back home with my TreeSlingr' woods ported 660. I'll be falling with it Monday.

LOL...even us old farts like a fun saw.

4 days.....you're gonna make us wait 4 days for a review?

I couldn't wait 'til Monday to try the Slingr' modded 660. I found some big DF and cedar culls to buck..I didn't measure them but I'm 5'10'' and I couldn't see over them.

What I noticed most was how much easier the saw ran. I had a 36" bar and full comp semi chisel, a firewood setup really, and usually that's about all the stock 66 wants to pull with any authority in decent sized wood. With what Jasha refers to as a "mild woods port" the saw had grunt to spare. Can you bog it down? Sure, if you reef on it enough to abuse it but it's hard to do. If you just let it eat you can put quite a bit of pressure on it before it slows down. It's not a huge gain over dead stock but it's very noticeable.
Fuel consumption seemed about the same. It might have used a tad more than stock but you'd have to measure the difference with an eye dropper...not enough to really matter.
I'm more than satisfied.
Monday it goes to the woods and we'll see how it does with the real deal and skip chain. I don't think there's anything to worry about, though.

Ha! Alrighty then........!

 

[XJWoody]

Pretty much pro-mod

Everything in my signature (except the blower, mini-tiller, and PS401) is muffler-modded or has a factory dual port cover installed. The limiters get clipped to allow enrichening the A/F.

For me, it's a case of wanting to maximize the power to weight. I can accept a slightly lessened service life on some parts if the gains make the tools more productive.

I haven't let anyone inside any of my stuff yet, but after running Brian's "Slingered" MS460 last May, I am a believer in a good woods-port.

The 401 is broken in now, so it's due a date on the bench... I may get after the tiller & blower too, just so they don't get a "quiet-toy" complex.

I wear foam plugs + muffs, so louder isn't a drawback... it's payback time, sixteen years later for the neighbors - They had an old D9 Cat, that couldn't move, but it would shake the stuff off our shelves when it got it's semi-annual run up. The loud brush saw and trimmers are perfect for this :hmm3grin2orange:

Paint me into the pro-mod corner...

 

[belgian]

I had a 2 stroke motorbike in my pre-marriaged life and spent a fortune modding it to get the best performance out of it. It had an expansian pipe and the carb was beefed up to consume more fuel that my dad's smaller car. People in town hated me, because you could hear me coming from a few miles distance away. Reportedly, my picture was hanging in the local police office with a disturbing 'Wanted, dead or alive" message, but somehow I've managed to stay out of their hands... But Lord, I had some fun with that thing...

At the moment, I do not have a single modded saw as I do value the comfort of a smooth saw over the extra performance that you can get out of a mod.
A modern,well tuned pro saw with a sharp chain will give me plenty of power to handle. But I am just the ordinary firewood guy. And as far as I know, there's no picture of me hanging anymore in the local police office ....:hmm3grin2orange::hmm3grin2orange:

That makes me a dedicated anti-modder I reckon.

 

[CHEVYTOWN13]

People in town hated me, because you could hear me coming from a few miles distance away.

The L6 on my C10 (It's louder than the Nova!!!) rumbles my neighbors' homes when I warm it up and they know when I'm cruising the canyonespecially at 3 in the morning...:greenchainsaw:

 

[parrisw]

The L6 on my C10 (It's louder than the Nova!!!) rumbles my neighbors' homes when I warm it up and they know when I'm cruising the canyonespecially at 3 in the morning...:greenchainsaw:

got any vids of that beast. I love the sound of a rumbling V8.

 

[CHEVYTOWN13]

Parrisw, it's a modified straight six!!! The fella who used to dyno the engine when it had the Holley 390 used to laugh and tell me, "Damn dude, this thing is freaking loud! I always have fun running your truck on my dyno..."

It's only a 250cid. I think why the sixes are loud is because two pistons rotate at TDC at the same time(only one fires though) and that is probably the reason why they are soooo loud. It's not running duals too! Just one 2 chamber flowmaster. I ported and polished the cylinder head, put valves from a small block chevy, and installed a hot cam(hydraulic).

I had some vids from back in the days but don't have them anymore. I'll have to find a lonely road and set up a video camera:chainsawguy:

As soon as I find a lonely road to do it, I'll send you a pm brother

 

[parrisw]

Parrisw, it's a modified straight six!!! The fella who used to dyno the engine when it had the Holley 390 used to laugh and tell me, "Damn dude, this thing is freaking loud! I always have fun running your truck on my dyno..."

It's only a 250cid. I think why the sixes are loud is because two pistons rotate at TDC at the same time(only one fires though) and that is probably the reason why they are soooo loud. It's not running duals too! Just one 2 chamber flowmaster. I ported and polished the cylinder head, put valves from a small block chevy, and installed a hot cam(hydraulic).

I had some vids from back in the days but don't have them anymore. I'll have to find a lonely road and set up a video camera:chainsawguy:

As soon as I find a lonely road to do it, I'll send you a pm brother

ha ha LOL. Yup I've seen some pretty mean Striaght 6's