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fishercat said:
One guy I work with has a few years but he has always worked with hacks before and he worries about everything. He has to over do everything.He thinks it safer to over do it.

I guess I am going to have to start throwing steel caribiners again.
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Funny reading all this. Opposite problem when working the ground, gritting my teeth and shake my head when ever I see the rope being shock loaded on the jobs.

I was instructed on a 110'+ tall 5'+ diameter red oak, whole tree was shock loaded :dizzy:. You know how much a 20' piece of 4' diameter red oak weighs, how many times can you shock load a bull 3/4 bull rope. I know it is wrong but if that is what the guy up top wants (fingers indicate amount of wraps), then it is what it is (I make sure everyone is at a safe distance).

We were both questioned by the company owner why this morning job took so long. The home owner had complimented to him how hard we had worked getting the job done so fast, (made sure we knew about the compliment as well). Two guys trimming 3 trees and taking out 4 other trees (2-1/2' to 3-1/2' beach and red oaks two of which had large branches over the house) in less than 3 hours with a 60' bucket truck.

Truck was maxed and sending down 40' limbs (shocked). Was questioned after letting a piece of the trunk run, but bucket operator agreed. I explained why and pointed out stressed/frayed areas on the 3/4 bull rope being used.
 
Wishie22 said:
Funny reading all this. Opposite problem when working the ground, gritting my teeth and shake my head when ever I see the rope being shock loaded on the jobs.

I was instructed on a 110'+ tall 5'+ diameter red oak, whole tree was shock loaded :dizzy:. You know how much a 20' piece of 4' diameter red oak weighs, how many times can you shock load a bull 3/4 bull rope. I know it is wrong but if that is what the guy up top wants (fingers indicate amount of wraps), then it is what it is (I make sure everyone is at a safe distance).

We were both questioned by the company owner why this morning job took so long. The home owner had complimented to him how hard we had worked getting the job done so fast, (made sure we knew about the compliment as well). Two guys trimming 3 trees and taking out 4 other trees (2-1/2' to 3-1/2' beach and red oaks two of which had large branches over the house) in less than 3 hours with a 60' bucket truck.

Truck was maxed and sending down 40' limbs (shocked). Was questioned after letting a piece of the trunk run, but bucket operator agreed. I explained why and pointed out stressed/frayed areas on the 3/4 bull rope being used.
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May I ask why the climber is shock loading the large limbs? What, he just don't know any better?

And how are 110'+ tall 5'+ diameter red oak, whole trees being shock loaded? Is the climber hanging whole trees?

I'm just curious.
 
tree md said:
May I ask why the climber is shock loading the large limbs? What, he just don't know any better?

And how are 110'+ tall 5'+ diameter red oak, whole trees being shock loaded? Is the climber hanging whole trees?

I'm just curious.
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well here my answer to your problem put him in your position a few times till he gets it ,stop cutting real large pieces cause he cant handle it , or find a better guy and pay him justly.
 
tree md said:
May I ask why the climber is shock loading the large limbs? What, he just don't know any better?
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Yesterday he was worried about the branch hitting the house or boom, truck fully extended directly under fall zone. He knows about the running the wood. I have seen him run wood when he worked the ropes. The piece I ran was on the trunk of one of the trees being removed away from the truck. After we talked about the right way he agrees that there is a time to let wood run and not. Something that we will work on when we work together.



tree md said:
And how are 110'+ tall 5'+ diameter red oak, whole trees being shock loaded? Is the climber hanging whole trees?

I'm just curious.
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"You know how much a 20' piece of 4' diameter red oak weighs, how many times can you shock load a bull 3/4 bull rope." stated earlier. The other climber/bucket operator for this company has everything shock loaded. Was the one who had taken down the first red oak I used a port-a-wrap on, heck of a way to learn. Shock loading tops of trees that cant be reached when a bucket is maxed.

The biggest problem is the owner of the company pushing for the work to be completed. We did what I listed above in less than three hours and we were told we could have done it faster. I would think this would have been a days work for two guys and a bucket.

If you have any further questions, I will check later. Have to get ready weather broke and have some work for a logger to do this afternoon.
 
Wishie22 said:
Yesterday he was worried about the branch hitting the house or boom, truck fully extended directly under fall zone. He knows about the running the wood. I have seen him run wood when he worked the ropes. The piece I ran was on the trunk of one of the trees being removed away from the truck. After we talked about the right way he agrees that there is a time to let wood run and not. Something that we will work on when we work together.



"You know how much a 20' piece of 4' diameter red oak weighs, how many times can you shock load a bull 3/4 bull rope." stated earlier. The other climber/bucket operator for this company has everything shock loaded. Was the one who had taken down the first red oak I used a port-a-wrap on, heck of a way to learn. Shock loading tops of trees that cant be reached when a bucket is maxed.

The biggest problem is the owner of the company pushing for the work to be completed. We did what I listed above in less than three hours and we were told we could have done it faster. I would think this would have been a days work for two guys and a bucket.

If you have any further questions, I will check later. Have to get ready weather broke and have some work for a logger to do this afternoon.
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OK, I gotcha. Sounds like your climber needs to learn how to better plan out his cuts and removals. I have not seen many 48" 20' chunks of Red Oak. That would be a massive tree for these parts and I don't know anyone who would try to rig something that big at 180 degrees. That log would be over 15K pounds. I have tip tied and lowered whole trees that size but there is very little shock involved in that. I have never seen anyone block pieces that big and don't know of anyone who would attempt to do so.

Stay safe!
 
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I tried lowering a cottonwood chunk 1/2 that size many years ago. No friction devices, we were wrapped around the trunk, using a natural crotch to lower it.

The log fell a small distance, straightened up until the rope got tight and it was pointing straight down (missing the house, thank goodness!), then snapped the 3/4" rope with a "ping!" sort of sound, and kept going to earth, almost without slowing down. Only the wooden fence and the rope paid the price for our foolish attempt, so it could have been worse.

I'll never rig another log that big again. I certainly wouldn't try a 20' x 4' log. Quite frankly, I'd like to see the tree that could shed a log that big and still catch it up in the air.

I suspect somebody's tape measure got left back at the shop...
 
Most times when you hear about a lowering accident with the porty of any other lowering device, they usually say " I took too much off in one time" you need to know your limitations and realistically assess the amount of weight you are trying to control.
 
JayD said:
Most times when you hear about a lowering accident with the porty of any other lowering device, they usually say " I took too much off in one time" you need to know your limitations and realistically assess the amount of weight you are trying to control.
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JayD!, Are you the guy guy in the cartoon?
Jeff
 
Yes, I'm in the comic. however it does not really look like me..
 
jefflovstrom said:
Sorry,You are right, I did not see an old man behind an old stumper looking tired. So you are right.:cheers:
Your freind, Jeff
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Jeff get your fact right, me using that stump grinder was not in any of the comics, but you were right about being tired that was my tenth stump on that day with that little machine.
 
Gee whizz, JayD is repped up and raring to go. Gee after what you had to say about AS on that other site I'm surprised to see you back so soon!

Your good friend
Cuppa!
 
I usually let it run to clear climber then gently close hands to slow it down gradually. Although sometimes I get a bit aggressive on slowing it down :dizzy: If tree will act as a blocker may not run it(if climber is comfortable with that) but big chunks I take extra care in running/slowing down. No need to shake a climber outta the tree.
 
EdenT said:
Gee whizz, JayD is repped up and raring to go. Gee after what you had to say about AS on that other site I'm surprised to see you back so soon!

Your good friend
Cuppa!
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What ever floats your boat.
Have a nice day.
 
Back on Topic.

I have a couple of these friction devices all home made,like many others on this site. One small one for 13mm rope and one for the larger 20mm rope they both work great providing you have some one who knows how to work them properly so you don't go for a ride in the tree..lol.

Having said that they are no match for GRCS and other devices with lifting capacity built in. However for the amount you pay for them they are a great tool at an entry level for lowering loads from the tree to the ground with control.
 
JayD said:
What ever floats your boat.
Have a nice day.
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Cheers JayD,

To tell you the truth my boat is being floated by you proving me wrong. I said earlier that you never made any positive contributions, and here you are doing just that. Please accept my apology. My earlier comment (you quoted) was not intended to offend either.

Your good friend
Cuppa! :cheers:
 
RE :port A Wrap

I try for repaint but after one month its not work and its sees original dirty. Then i never try for this.
 

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