Big Block
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I had a few problems but it was my fault. I pulled the black velocity stack out of the air filter itself. Noticeable gain in performance but loss in some filtration.
Opinions on saws in the $400-450 range.
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I had a few problems but it was my fault. I pulled the black velocity stack out of the air filter itself. Noticeable gain in performance but loss in some filtration.
CoreyB
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The 6100 doesn't need or gain anything from a mm.
I have some videos up on my youtube channel. One is cutting through bar length white oak in better times then the 562 vs 590 video. I would really like to see a broken in 6100 run against a 562. All of the videos on you tube are of a new 6100 staying right close to a broken in 562.
I did some more cutting the other day, with some carb tuning on the Echo. The 590 closed the gap to about one second. One must ask the question, is that 5% - 10% worth the extra cost? to some yes, others not so much. Also in the price range there is no real competition that I can see, I mean really the echo is a $400 saw you buy at HD, saws like the 362 and 562 are sometimes about double that. Echo knows what they're doing right now, and that is eating up a chunk of the high end homeowner market. This is not to say the other Ranch/farm saws are not good saws, it's simply a fact we now have a better option IMHO.
I'd bet a muff modd wont help a 562 much, maybe a little you can bet they don't have a clogged up muff to start with. Steve
James Miller
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After catching up on the thread I'll agree with most of the posts. There's better saws then the 590. I'd be a dolmar guy if I didn't feel like the only dealer here should be hit by a car. I still feel if your just out to cut fire wood for the home the 590 is the best option. My next saw will be a domar 7900. My brother wants my 590 to replace his problematic 028 so it may move on to help cover the domar. Its been a great saw never bulked at burying the 20 inch bar in oak or hard maple like in the pictures I posted on page 1.
Their mufflers are really restrictive and just opening the outlet a little give very tangible results. Gut the baffle inside and it runs even stronger. They have a baffle that runs down the middle of the muffler and deflect the exhaust gasses down. The opening is up.
You ever see or put a trio of a 555 562 and 6100 together using the same chain & bar length (can't swap bars as the 555 is small mount). What are the price differences? A 555 isn't that far off a 562 in my world. Does the 6100 split the difference in both price and performance??
GrassGuerilla
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Interesting thread. I don't think I've ever seen such consensus about one saw, at the OPs price point on AS (or any other forum)? The 590 really is a solid bargain saw for under $400. Actually see them regularly for less new on evilbay and CL. Are they the best 60cc saw ever? Uh, no. But in terms of a simple, serviceable, reliable tool to fit a budget. Nothing else beats it right now. Nothing. Not much changes if you add another $100 to the retail price. How often does that get said on AS?
That's what I was thinking. I was really surprised that there wasn't more competition at that price. Sounds like you have to spend 150 to 200 more to get an equal or better saw. Echo did a great job on the pricing of this one.
In my country a echo 590 retails over a grand. I have yet to see anyone buy one or a used one on the market. At $400 msrp they make sense in the US market. If all the Echo 590 fans had to pay similar cost to a ms362cm or 562xp....I wonder how many would still own them. Price is what sells the 590 period. Not saying they are a bad saw.
Idahonative
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Speaking only for myself here: I've never owned a 590 but given the choice between a ms362, a 562xp, or a 600p/620p, I would choose the 600p/620p even if they were all priced the same. I love the quality of build and simplicity of the Echo's and I DON'T want an auto tune saw of any flavor.
Echo saws have A LOT more going for them then just a good price point.
Price is why Homelite and Poulan saws sell period. I have held both Echo and Husqvarna saws and the build quality is professional grade. I would not say price is the only reason the Echo saws sell.
CoreyB
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I am not sure about price the 6100 locally in SE Iowa is now $600. Ish depending on what bar and chain and ever saw I have bought he throws in a couple six packs of oil and extra chain and hat. Depends on his mood and how much I haggle lol.
Last I checked one of the site sponsors had a 6100 with wrap handle for $579 I think.
The 6100 has a small mount the same as the 555. I only know how the 6100 runs and I would love to see a good comparison between the three.
The 6100 has such a great power band and torque it surprises everyone who has ran mine. It pulls real hard from 8,000 to 13,000 rpm
Makes it really fun to cut with.
Idahonative
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James Miller
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@SawTroll is alright in my book iv heard what he has to say about the 590 it doesn't afend me. Posts like that sound like your trying to pick a fight.
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Chris-PA
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It's all he knows how to do.
Big Block
WFO or I don't go
We MM my brothers 555 and it made a huge difference. Those huskys are pretty restricted.
Chris-PA
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So what is the mystery about the 590? It's an absolutely typical, straightforward saw - it looks like a well executed product with the same technology developed decades ago. Echo decided to go after a particular market segment and undercut everyone, which they are in a good position to do as they don't have a large investment in new engine tech to pay off. This kind of stuff happens all the time in all sorts of markets - it doesn't mean they have some magic formula.
