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Hopefully ECHO will do the same thing to other market segments in the future.
I don't think they undercut as much as priced it where they could make a profit, as well as sell many: they've succeeded.
Opinions on saws in the $400-450 range.
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Hopefully ECHO will do the same thing to other market segments in the future.
I don't think they undercut as much as priced it where they could make a profit, as well as sell many: they've succeeded.
You can bet the 555 comes with a more clogged up muff than the hot rod 562, same between a Echo 590 and 620. Steve
555 and 562 use the same muffler.
The 590 and 620 mufflers look the same on the out side but not sure if they are on the inside.
Have you noticed a difference between the 2?
Different part numbers between the 590 and 620, how about the 555 and 562 are they the same part numbers. Steve
Yes, same part number.
I also noticed the 590 and 620 have different part number. They look identical on the outside, just not sure about the inside. Have you physically compared the 2?
No, I just open up the 590 or 600 muff, the factory opening is about the size of a pea. Steve
Chris-PA
Where the Wild Things Are
I guess the problem is they can't sell too many. They put cats on their high volume sellers so they can squirrel away enough credits to sell saws like the 590 without one. Husky and Stihl do this with strato and feedback carbs, putting these systems on the high volume saws so the high end pro saws don't have to have it, but Echo doesn't really play much in that end so the 60cc farm/ranch market is where they're spending their emissions credits. Anyway, depending on how the system is set up they might run afoul of the rules if they were too successful with the 590.
So far as I know Echo has put a cat on only CS550p which was the biggest Echo flop ever made. They get by emissions with clogged up muff and lean tuning both of which are a easy fix. Steve
Chris-PA
Where the Wild Things Are
The 550 was the only strato Echo made, and apparently didn't do such a good job. The 400 and I believe the 500P (?) has a cat.
Full Chisel
Slingin' Stihls and runnin' Huskies
I see the Echo bashers crashed the party! 
Full Chisel
Slingin' Stihls and runnin' Huskies
But seriously tho, dat 365 in the tradin' post...
You're right I got the cat and strato mixed up, the 550 was Echos only strato. way to heavy.. The CS400 and 370 come with a cat , the Cs500p, 490 and 590. 600, and 620 don't have one . Steve
I see the Echo bashers crashed the party!
Let them bash. All Echo did was put a good saw in a "hole" in the saw market. You can get a $200 Poulan pro 50cc or a $600 Dolmar or Husqvarna. Echo put theirs right in between. Smart move.
Chris-PA
Where the Wild Things Are
I wasn't really bashing - and that's pretty much what I said! It was a decent business strategy and may work well for them.
On the other hand there seem to be those who think Echo has found some design secret and can continue to get away without investing in new engine or fuel system technologies, but this is not realistic either. For now you can get a decent 60cc throwback design for less money, and that can be a good deal.
The problem with a "throw back" saw strategy will come from China..
Chris-PA
Where the Wild Things Are
Exactly, and it's already here. It turns out anyone can get a saw to pass emissions with careful porting and a cat. Echo has a better name, and I expect they deserve it too, but how much will the typical homeowner who needs to cut a few sticks now and then pay for that? What about when money/credit gets tighter?The problem with a "throw back" saw strategy will come from China..
Next time you are Home Despot check out a Ryobi RY3716, or the 46cc "Remington" saw at Lowes. It's not this class of saw, but when they start eating into homeowner sales at the bottom it has an impact at other points of the market, both in terms of profits and margin, but also in terms of emissions credits. If Echo doesn't sell enough CS400's with cats they can't sell 590s.
I think much of what's been said here about the EPA stuff, should be taken with a grain of salt. Unless some of you work for the EPA and make the laws, I really doubt you really know what's going on and who can sell what and how many. Yes we may have an idea from reading on the internet, and we know everything in the internet is factual. Right now 590's are on the shelves, so it's obviously not a problem getting them passed the EPA what ever the reason, same with the smokey $100 Chinese pos all over the place. I also will ask a question, that will stir the pot a little. What if Stihl, Husky and maybe Dolmar overcompensated their designs, when they didn't really need to?? 
Right now 590's are on the shelves, so it's obviously not a problem getting them passed the EPA what ever the reason, same with the smokey $100 Chinese pos all over the place. I also will ask a question, that will stir the pot a little. What if Stihl, Husky and maybe Dolmar overcompensated their designs, when they didn't really need to?? 
Big Block
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Ok now I'm confused. Three Echo saws. CS-590, 600, and 620. Price points in the $400, $550, and $650.
What do you get for the additional bucks per model? Seems like the 620 is the one in the market place dollar wise that matches up with a 562...how do they compare head to head?
What do you get for the additional bucks per model? Seems like the 620 is the one in the market place dollar wise that matches up with a 562...how do they compare head to head?
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