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Cap & Trade Question
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WTF are you talking about. That is the legislation, HR2454 as written at this time.
You must not have gotten the memo.If you oppose this lot, especially using their own words, you are a) repeating right wing talking points, or, b) a racist.
Geesh. I hardly call that little bit a loss of freedom. Think of it as maybe a gain of freedom for some people's lungs?
I hardly think there would be "Federal Inspectors" running around demanding access to everybody's home. Do you realize how much that would cost? The hiring process for all those inspectors? The big office projects to house them? It won't happen.
Now, in a lot of states, including my fair state, we already have building inspectors. They are there for a reason. They do visit the construction site and make sure everything is up to code. Including wood stoves. If you build a house, there will be a building permit fee, and that funds the inspection process. The code here does not go into what light bulbs are required, but it does require strapping for earthquake protection, requires certain roof loads, insulation, and you won't get a building permit if you live in the flood area or can't pass a perk test for your septic system. Is that a bad thing? I don't think so. Some people really need to be protected from themselves it seems.
Or else they will sue the govt. which IS US, THE TAXPAYERS.
I have one of them new fangled stoves. This state already requires them. It is a good stove. A wood stove is something I would not want to skimp on, so I wanted a NEW one.
By the way, I am a federal govt. inspector of another kind, and the budget has been cut so much, you can be assured there aren't very many of us around.
I hardly think there would be "Federal Inspectors" running around demanding access to everybody's home. Do you realize how much that would cost? The hiring process for all those inspectors? The big office projects to house them? It won't happen.
Now, in a lot of states, including my fair state, we already have building inspectors. They are there for a reason. They do visit the construction site and make sure everything is up to code. Including wood stoves. If you build a house, there will be a building permit fee, and that funds the inspection process. The code here does not go into what light bulbs are required, but it does require strapping for earthquake protection, requires certain roof loads, insulation, and you won't get a building permit if you live in the flood area or can't pass a perk test for your septic system. Is that a bad thing? I don't think so. Some people really need to be protected from themselves it seems.
Or else they will sue the govt. which IS US, THE TAXPAYERS.
I have one of them new fangled stoves. This state already requires them. It is a good stove. A wood stove is something I would not want to skimp on, so I wanted a NEW one.
By the way, I am a federal govt. inspector of another kind, and the budget has been cut so much, you can be assured there aren't very many of us around.
mga
wandering
lol...how true, coog!!
Well, seems to me that this could mean most anything.
Bingo.
B-Edwards
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I tried to rep you, it says I must spread some around before giving you more. So i'll rep you in public :agree2:.
You seem to confuse good intentions with good government. While a city is organized under a charter that allows it to regulate things like wood stoves and building codes, the federal government -by design- has no such power.If the city chooses to outlaw wood stoves, or a certain type of wood stove, I must comply or find a new city.Such a law would make no sense here in Wichita, but might make sense in Los Angeles.A council voting for needless laws and regulations would face voters and be held accountable.When the feds grab powers that are reserved for the States and the individual, there is no such accountability.
Uncle John
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The 2 Best Ways To Keep Your Freedom.
1 Vote
2 Have Your Friends Vote.
Vote for Who?
As a general rule, I will vote for the guy(gal) the media hates the most.
Michael M
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I saw a few posts saying that "don't worry you will be grandfathered in". To be honest I don't care two craps about being grandfathered in. That mentality is what has let us get to the point we are in. The whole "it doesnt affect me so I dont care" attitude is how freedom is lost. What I care about is our freedom. Every stupid little law and regulatory BS to protect us from ourselves just keeps taking more and more away each day. Something may not affect you today but if you just let it happen some day it will be your turn.
Well put. Don't worry, our grandchildren will pay the bill 
danrclem
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Thank you Mr. Edwards. I tried to rep you for trying to rep me but it said that I had to spread some more around too. LOL
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The following is not referring to you B-Edwards
Some people just don't get what this government is capable of. They are trying to get a huge huge tax increase because of a huge huge lie called man made global warming. They know it's a lie and they know that most of us know that it's a lie so they change the name to "climate change" and then they march on all the same without missing a beat. There isn't anybody or anything that is exempt from their clutches no matter what the current laws are. They will go after the believers first because they are the most gullible and easy but I know that the rest of us are not exempt.
I'm all for good laws but this regime and past regimes (to a much lesser extent) have and are trying to pass laws to destroy the middle class and in turn it will destroy this country as we know it. Follow the Pied Piper if you feel the need to but don't expect me to get in the line behind you.
Freedom ain't free.
Locust Cutter
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However, 'We' just did get a new arena with very little parking, horrible seats and less area than the Coliseum, that was a Great investment. Par of the reason I no longer reside in Sedgwick County or Wichita, but you still make a good point.
CrappieKeith
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If you think for 1 minute that cap and trade is good for the US and the world you are sorely mistaken.
Small time farmers will be put of of business,electricity costs will raise 40%,
and yes your ability to heat your home cheaply will be diminished.
Anytime you make a law it then can be enforceable.
The claim of not enough money to hire feds to inspect is a bunch of crap.
Trust me once the goverment gets you by the gonads your at the will of the govt.
There also 3 years worth of unemployment pay tied into this.
They already know that many businesses are going to go under with this cap & trade crap.
It already has passed the house.....PEOPLE...start screaming !!!!!
Start emailing your local senators.....asap!!!!!!
There are many of us already in the trenches fighting this cap & trade bs.
Small time farmers will be put of of business,electricity costs will raise 40%,
and yes your ability to heat your home cheaply will be diminished.
Anytime you make a law it then can be enforceable.
The claim of not enough money to hire feds to inspect is a bunch of crap.
Trust me once the goverment gets you by the gonads your at the will of the govt.
There also 3 years worth of unemployment pay tied into this.
They already know that many businesses are going to go under with this cap & trade crap.
It already has passed the house.....PEOPLE...start screaming !!!!!
Start emailing your local senators.....asap!!!!!!
There are many of us already in the trenches fighting this cap & trade bs.
CrappieKeith
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Feldstein’s numbers are less striking than those from the Marshall Institute, which calculated the cost of a cap-and-trade system at $3000 per household three months ago. Marshall also calculated the impact of cap-and-trade on growth, while Feldstein for the moment focuses only on direct costs. Feldstein does note that he is sticking with low-end estimates, giving us essentially the best-case scenario as energy producers pass the costs of restrictions onto the consumer.
Those costs, by the way, amount to a regressive tax on energy consumers. Energy isn’t a luxury item — or at least it isn’t now. Everyone needs to have heating and power in their homes, and any widespread and significant price increase will most hurt those households with the least amount of disposable income. Henry Waxman wants the credits his bill gives away for free to result in subsidies for low-income earners, but energy prices are a multiplier in the economy, since the entire distribution chain of goods and services have to include higher costs into their own prices. A substantial increase of energy prices will mean higher prices on food, clothing, and other essentials that these subsidies cannot address. It will also fuel inflation, which will further erode the buying power among low-income earners.
And what do we get for all of this sacrifice? Nothing. The amount of reduction cap-and-trade will produce is negligible in terms of lowering the Earth’s temperature. Moreover, it will allow nations like China and India to gain a competitive advantage in the global marketplace. They will get the investors and businesses, while the US loses jobs overseas.
In short, Waxman-Markey is a disaster for the economy, but Democrats care more about looking good than in maintaining the American standard of living.
Those costs, by the way, amount to a regressive tax on energy consumers. Energy isn’t a luxury item — or at least it isn’t now. Everyone needs to have heating and power in their homes, and any widespread and significant price increase will most hurt those households with the least amount of disposable income. Henry Waxman wants the credits his bill gives away for free to result in subsidies for low-income earners, but energy prices are a multiplier in the economy, since the entire distribution chain of goods and services have to include higher costs into their own prices. A substantial increase of energy prices will mean higher prices on food, clothing, and other essentials that these subsidies cannot address. It will also fuel inflation, which will further erode the buying power among low-income earners.
And what do we get for all of this sacrifice? Nothing. The amount of reduction cap-and-trade will produce is negligible in terms of lowering the Earth’s temperature. Moreover, it will allow nations like China and India to gain a competitive advantage in the global marketplace. They will get the investors and businesses, while the US loses jobs overseas.
In short, Waxman-Markey is a disaster for the economy, but Democrats care more about looking good than in maintaining the American standard of living.
CrappieKeith
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If you are an agent in America's farmland you will begin to see farms no longer being able to produce a profit. Farms use a lot of energy. Energy use will be punished. This is why nearly every politician from a farm land state no matter what party they are affiliated with voted no to this bill. Their districts will suffer terribly. As this happens we will be buying more and more produce from other countries with far less health standards than our own. I don't trust foods, especially produce from China or other countries except Europe. But we don't import our veggies from Europe!
•How is this going to effect your real esate business if you live and work in a farm land state?
When it comes down to the nitty and the gritty about this bill you must remember that GE is the biggest supporter of this bill. They stand to make billions of dollars from the passage of this bill. The politicians voting yes on this bill, many of them are getting paid to vote yes. And Al Gore will become the very first GREEN billionaire. It is just too bad that he is not a real capitalist. He could not become a billionaire playing fair and square. Instead, he has an unfair advantage, legislation to make him filthy rich. Not exactly the free market way. It is all about the money.
Contact your Senators now to vote NO now. Let them know how this is going to effect your business and your community homeowners and buyers. Pass this on...
•How is this going to effect your real esate business if you live and work in a farm land state?
When it comes down to the nitty and the gritty about this bill you must remember that GE is the biggest supporter of this bill. They stand to make billions of dollars from the passage of this bill. The politicians voting yes on this bill, many of them are getting paid to vote yes. And Al Gore will become the very first GREEN billionaire. It is just too bad that he is not a real capitalist. He could not become a billionaire playing fair and square. Instead, he has an unfair advantage, legislation to make him filthy rich. Not exactly the free market way. It is all about the money.
Contact your Senators now to vote NO now. Let them know how this is going to effect your business and your community homeowners and buyers. Pass this on...
mga
wandering
true, another area people don't know about is mammouth mountain. this mountain is a large lava dome that emits 50 to 150 tons of carbon dioxide PER DAY and has been known to have killed numerous people over the years.
source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mammoth_Mountain#Volcanic_gas_discharge
man isn't the only thing that puts amounts of gases in the air, mother nature has been doing it for millions of years, and perhaps surpasses any amount we might do at a single event.
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