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go to the doctors a couple weeks ago.. they told me possible torn rotator cuff, and definitely torn bicep loose...
next visit he tells me no surgery needed.. gives me injections and a prescription, i take the pills for a week a week with out pills at all..
now he said its healing fine so good to go...
dont know if i really trust the dude...shoulder does work ok now but pops and binds up at some angles not as much strength in it yet..its all i can do not to go cut wood right now...its probably a good thing its been raining every other day..
has any body else had a torn shoulder that didn't require surgery?
when the bicep rolls down to your elbow on outside of the arm its not a good feeling...just fyi..
 
Go to a real doctor, the one who told you it will be OK is a Quack. If your bicep tore loose and rolled up, how do you think it is going to unroll and re-attach itself without sugery? My wife had the same problem a year ago. Dr. at home said therapy and pain killers will make it OK. Fortunately I go to Mayo clinic in Rochester, Mn. for my kidney problems. My Dr. at Mayo looked at her MRI and sent her to a specialist in rotator cuff repair. 2 weeks later she had sugery. Recovery took a long time but not as long as a lifetime which is what you are looking at if you don't get it fixed.
 
What outlander said... that doctor is an assclown. Find a new doctor that actually care about you. Something like this needs surgery, I'm quite sure about that.
 
I'd sure want to get another opinion. My wife has a torn roto-cuff for over a year now. 1st Doc referred her to another, and he gave her pills, and suggested injections and therapy. She can't lift her arm very high w/o much pain. Finally, she went to another Doctor, within minutes he determined she needed surgery. Scheduled it for the 13th of this month.
 
I had stomach / chest pains over the winter. Finally went to the doctor, three actually because I didn't agree with the first two. It went from "take some antacids for three months", to "maybe your appendix, hmmm", to "man your gallbladder is not looking good at all". Doctors practice medicine, and you have a say in the way it's done. Get a second opinion if you are in doubt.

Here's to healing...:cheers:
 
I had stomach / chest pains over the winter. Finally went to the doctor, three actually because I didn't agree with the first two. It went from "take some antacids for three months", to "maybe your appendix, hmmm", to "man your gallbladder is not looking good at all". Doctors practice medicine, and you have a say in the way it's done. Get a second opinion if you are in doubt.

Here's to healing...:cheers:

Be sure to get that taken care of. I new a guy that kept putting off that surgery and one day he wasn't around to get it. I hope you already did.
 
Buy an MS361, it cures all ailments. :D

J/K, I would get another opinion for sure. My Dad did kinda the same thing, he required surgery for it.
 
Same damn doc is here...

Three months ago I went in because I couldn't take the constant poping and pain...Doc says that it's probably the rotater and puts me on some kind of high power Advil type of meds...two weeks later, no change, call him and he says we probably need a shot...if that doesn't take care of it he will do surgery...I really think most of these jokers have figured it out that even if they know what to do three to four visits are way more profitable than one...

Good luck.
 
As a lot of you know, I had surgery for that on the last day of March. I did a lot of online research before I finally went to the doc about it. And what happened was pretty much right down the line of what I had read.
The usual procedure is that they want you to try physical therapy for a month or so. If that doesn't work they move on to injections, the purpose of which is to lubricate the joint, fill the void where the tear has left a gap, and reduce inflammation. Basically this reduces discomfort and gives them time to see if "you can live with it".
This is because it is a common injury that becomes increasingly more so the older a person gets, because the rotator muscles weaken with age and bone spurs appear over time. If any of you did the science experiment as kids where you make sugar crystals grow on a string in water, that's about the best way I can describe what the bone in my shoulder looked like in the pictures after the operation. It literally sawed through the tendon while I raked snow off my roof.
In the surgery they polished up the bone surfaces before they sewed the tendon back.
Another factor is age. They generally don't like to do surgery on this after age 60. This because the cuff muscles have weakened over time and are susceptible to re-injury and healing takes longer too. Sometimes there is too much other 'normal' wear in the joint that it makes improvement from the surgery hardly noticeable.
I also read where it is 'normal', if a tendon such as the biceps tendon is torn and atrophied beyond repair, to just cut it completely loose of the shoulder and leave it, creating what they call a "Popeye arm", referring to the unusual bulge. Apparently other bicep muscles compensate to some extent for the loss.
Now, all that said and being forearmed (no pun intended), I wasn't going to have any of that. I went through several of the first recommended therapy sessions, made sure when the therapist asked if I noticed any improvement I said NO. At one point while doing one exercise, I had her hold her hand on the shoulder so she could actually feel as well as hear the shoulder popping like bubble wrap. Bothered her enough that she called the doc and recommended they go ahead and get the expensive MRI right away. Mine cost the insurance company about $2500, almost more than the surgery, lol, so it's no wonder they pressure the doctors to do therapy first.
Anyway, two days later, MRI in hand, my doc set up an appointment with the surgeon and two weeks later I had the surgery. Another doc told me that as far as pain goes, shoulder surgery is the most painful (by far) that you can have done. Your mileage may vary. I've heard some real horror stories but maybe by expecting the worst, it hasn't been THAT bad in my case. The first week is the worst so take all the meds they give you. In my case I was in lala land for that week and in the second week I was pretty much off them. But as time and healing goes on, a different pain develops, at least for me. Reminds me of a broken leg ache I had once, a dull ache that just won't go away. You want to move and stretch but don't dare move the arm from the sling for fear of tearing the stitches.
Two more weeks and I should be out of this sling but still will not be allowed to use the arm for anything for a month more yet and will be back where I was, to begin with. Physical therapy.
One other thing I'd like to mention, frozen shoulder. If you do not do the exercises as prescribes the shoulder can freeze up due to scarring. I know two people personally this has happened to. One had surgery ten years ago and is finally going back in to free up the shoulder. The exercises are a pain (again no pun intended) because they must be done passively, that is the arm must be move by someone else or with your other arm, because the act of using that arm on its own will tear out the stitches.
Something I highly recommend, that my surgeon insists on as a matter of fact, is a passive motion chair. It's a rental type of deal that they bring to your house and set up for you. Costs about $6 a day but my insurance picked up the whole cost and is used for the first 6 weeks. Your arm is strapped to an articulated, computerized arm that automatically moves your arm a little further every day, until it is up over your head. The bad news is you have to be in it 4-8 hours a day! Plan on getting a lot of reading or TV watching done, lol. But can you imagine trying to exercise manually, either alone or with a helper, and get that kind extensive a workout? I do mine about an hour at a time and ice the shoulder after.
Sorry, I didn't mean to get so long winded, but I remember what I was like before the surgery, so many questions I wanted answered. So I hope I helped out a little. Like I say, this was only my experience, and is still ongoing. But if there is any thing in particular you're wondering, I'll be glad to help if I can.
 
Damn, this is much more serious than I originally thought. :msp_scared:

Regarding the topic of shoulders...

I can, with a bit of pain, pop my shoulder out of the socket. I have no idea how the hell it happened.

I woke up one morning with pain in my shoulder and could barely move it. I kept pulling and pushing, trying to see if something was out of place. A small click later, my arm worked again and didn't hurt as bad anymore.

Did I dislocate it or something?

Thankfully, I don't have pains with it unless my hand is on the back of my head and I move my arm. That's when it pops and clicks, slightly painfully too. Obviously, I only do that to figure out if my shoulder still does that. It does, and has since I was about 10 or so. Occasionally, when lifting something really heavy, my arm will drop a little. As soon as I set whatever I lifted down, it clicks back in.

OP, please get that shoulder checked out several times by several doctors... from what Geez posted, it's something that should be done sooner rather than later.
 
The only advice I can give is make sure the doc that is going to cut on you specializes in shoulder/rotator cuff repair. I am in nursing school and was sitting in on a shoulder surgery and the doc usually worked on hands I believe, he was asking the techs a ton of questions and there is no way in hell I would have let him touch my shoulder. Also, in pretty much any surgery they are real rough on your body and no surprise it hurts and takes awhile to heal. Good luck with that, I am sure I will need some surgeries later in my life, still young but can tell the minor stuff keeps building up.
 
The only advice I can give is make sure the doc that is going to cut on you specializes in shoulder/rotator cuff repair. I am in nursing school and was sitting in on a shoulder surgery and the doc usually worked on hands I believe, he was asking the techs a ton of questions and there is no way in hell I would have let him touch my shoulder. Also, in pretty much any surgery they are real rough on your body and no surprise it hurts and takes awhile to heal. Good luck with that, I am sure I will need some surgeries later in my life, still young but can tell the minor stuff keeps building up.

I agree! My regular doc referred me to a certain surgeon and said "Just about anybody can do knee surgery but with a shoulder you need someone who knows what he's doing". LOL
 
My wife's surgeon is a specialist in roto-cuff repair. He said it will be done by laser surgery. 3 small holes in shoulder to remove the large damaging spur, and repair the sliced up muscle.
I hope for her sake it is somewhat less painful. Whatever the case, we're fixin to find out.:msp_w00t:
 
My wife's surgeon is a specialist in roto-cuff repair. He said it will be done by laser surgery. 3 small holes in shoulder to remove the large damaging spur, and repair the sliced up muscle.
I hope for her sake it is somewhat less painful. Whatever the case, we're fixin to find out.:msp_w00t:

Huh, I had the three small holes AND a 3 inch slice. Guess he just wanted to make sure I got my money's worth, LOL. Actually I think it depends upon where the spurs are and which of the four cuff muscles/tendons are torn.
 
Seek out a specialist, general MD usually not qualified.

it is a specialist.. orthopedist, also i spoke to the case nurse today,since this was a work injury..i was told what he has said is wrong. she will be sending me to another doctor for revaluation.
its nice to know that a big company still values you as a employee.... they should for the money i have made them...:givebeer:
 
Had the same problem .Couldn't hardly raise my arm above my head . Went to the doctor got some pills went to therapy. Not much luck . Was talking to my chiropractor . Fixed me right up .Some laser light for about a minute. The next day the shoulder felt good.Get a treatment about twice a year.Been around 5 years now . I know chiropractor have a stigma .But he has actually fixed other problems too . When my MD was stump
 
Had the same problem .Couldn't hardly raise my arm above my head . Went to the doctor got some pills went to therapy. Not much luck . Was talking to my chiropractor . Fixed me right up .Some laser light for about a minute. The next day the shoulder felt good.Get a treatment about twice a year.Been around 5 years now . I know chiropractor have a stigma .But he has actually fixed other problems too . When my MD was stump

Did your chiropractor say what effect the laser light has ? Is it strictly associated with the muscle tissue, or do you have a bone spur problem?
My wife is now a few days away from surgery.
 
Had the same problem .Couldn't hardly raise my arm above my head . Went to the doctor got some pills went to therapy. Not much luck . Was talking to my chiropractor . Fixed me right up .Some laser light for about a minute. The next day the shoulder felt good.Get a treatment about twice a year.Been around 5 years now . I know chiropractor have a stigma .But he has actually fixed other problems too . When my MD was stump

I use chiropractors too but it all depends upon the circumstances. Laser light isn't going to repair a tendon or muscle that is torn or even cut completely off. For one thing, I've learned that rotator tears will NOT heal on their own. One reason is that the muscle or tear wants to retract away from the tear, making it worse. Without surgery to reconnect the two ends there is nothing to pull them together so they can heal.
The second thing, is that other injuries, such as bicep tendinitis have exactly the same symptoms as a tear, but tendinitis will heal. This is another reason that, barring expensive MRI's, they want to try therapy first so they can rule out tendinitis.
Two months ago I knew almost none of this so I don't claim to be an expert, that's for sure. But this whole process has educated me and I've had an awful lot of time to spend lately reading up on it.
 
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