wow
the 441 is complex,
the 461 is very simple, it is not a strato, it has quad ports
buy the 461 and send it to me for a free port job, does it get any better then that?
best post in this thread to date.
wow
the 441 is complex,
the 461 is very simple, it is not a strato, it has quad ports
buy the 461 and send it to me for a free port job, does it get any better then that?
So if a fella' was awaiting one (ported by EC) he'd likely not be disappointed? :msp_w00t:
wow
the 441 is complex,
the 461 is very simple, it is not a strato, it has quad ports
buy the 461 and send it to me for a free port job, does it get any better then that?
The speculation is kind of pathetic, and takes away from good information from the threads. Kind of reminds me of an arm chair general.
He may, but the Stihl bashing really gets old after a while, like a couple of posts. He detracts threads time and time again. He is on these forums, 24/7. When does he ever cut any wood? Maybe he could grab hold of a Stihl 441 CM or a 460 and head out to the woods, use the saw, and report back to us with his findings? That would make more sense than the constant negativity. It would also give him more credibility. Turn over a new leaf in a new forest please.[/QUOTE
I respect ST as a person, and yes Andy, he's been here a hell of a long time, much longer than me, but this constant BS he spews has become more frequent, when is right to bash a saw a member just bought and is proud of. His opinions are like a broken record it is obvious he has never run half of the equipment he bashes, it's part of the European superioty complex, I been there and expierencied first hand, we're just a bunch of dang Yankee's that liberated their continent and knocked up there women, there is a miniority who don't exhibit this behavior but most do. It's obvoius that more and more of the new members have seen through the arm chair opinions and aren't going to keep their mouth shut. I obviously like my Stihls, for more than one reason, they mfg in the US, and I have the best dealer support a man could ask for, but I also would be open to running Husky given the same deals and support as well as Dolmar.
It's gotten to the point were respect is waning. Hell I proud of the guy who saved up enough to buy a 199.00 Poulan to keep his family warm, we all didn't start out with top end pro saws, not does everyone have the need for one. Give a man credit for just buying a saw and gettiing out and cutting his own wood irregardless of brand. I'd bet everything I own my little 028 has cut many more cord of wood than ST has ever thought about cutting, sometimes silence will earn a hell of a lot more respect.
well said
Maybe you have inferiority complex, you sure like hearing your own voice.
I have been running a 441 myself with a 20" bar for typical cutting, or a 25" when needed for felling bigger stuff. I'd buy a longer bar if I ever need one. I guess what it comes down to is -- do I sell the 441 to my buddy and get the 461 for myself, or keep my 441 and he buys a new 441. This is a real twisted case of CAD, obviously, but how can I refuse when these situations drop in my lap.
The 441 has done fine for me, but the new 461 is intriguing. I am interested in setting up an Alaskan sawmill for pine and poplar, and that has me thinking the 461 would be a little better. As far as vibration, I like how smooth the 441 and my 261 are, and probably wouldn't want to take a huge downgrade there even though I only cut on weekends for the most part.
So with no complaints about the 441, I guess the question is whether the extra power and capability of the 461 is worth a tradeoff of more vibration, more cost, more fuel. Well, that, and it's also a new model and carries some allure… Not much allure in my life anymore, so I gotta take advantage of it...
I suggest that Stihl could have put M-Tronic on the new MS461 if they wanted to as they have control of the new technology now but there was a good reason they did not.
Exactly what that reason is only they know.
As yet we have not seen M-Tronic on anything over about 70cc from Stihl so maybe there are other limiting factors we don't know about.
Or is it because if they put M-Tronic on the 461.... they would not sell many 441s and are using the 461 for the market of "old schoolers" that do not want to adapt to today's modern technology.
I'm betting the 661 will be M-Tronic. I'm curious if it will have a non M-Tronic option though?
Yes, that is another question again. Do Stihl really need two 400 series models anyway...?
Maybe and maybe not, I don't have a marketing degree. I don't know which option would be more financial beneficial to the company.
Normally I have found that technology trickles downwards from the biggest most expensive models to the cheaper offerings.
It is quite mysterious why Stihl has chosen to upgrade their model line up in reverse order if in fact that is what they are planning to do.
Not saying they are as I don't know what the new 600 or 800 series will have and those that do and not going to comment in an open net forum.
Stihl has been messing around with the internals of the 660/066 over the years... just nothing hugely noticeable to the average guy.
As for the 880, Stihl updated it a couple years ago so it will be around for a bit
How can you say ST "likely" knows more than him about saws?? Nobody knows who knows the most about anything anybody knows w/o knowing what that somebody "likely" really knows! Know what I mean, or do you just know what ST "likely" knows, or thinks he knows w/o knowing who knows more than he does? I bet I "likely" know the answer!
But I love and would trade my 441 M-tronic for any screwdriver-adjusted rubber AV'd saw.
dw
Sounds good. Is it ported or stock?
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