You beat me to it Ryan. I just ran a brand new/never gassed one Saturday at our GTG. Very impressive. I thought it would be close to my 462 but a big difference with the fuel injection. Rumors around are Nov./Dec. release here.If you're having a hard time deciding between those two, maybe you should consider the 500i. Should be here before too long and if you can't wait some guys are getting them from overseas.