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At least I didn't get banned. :D

Does anyone else realize that the OP is sitting somewhere quietly laughing his ass off at all this ruckus?:clap:

Ya think? :msp_biggrin:

Would I start an oil thread and just leave??????? Would I? :msp_wink:
 
I use BP premium and Klotz R50@ 40:1 in dirt bike, weed whacker, blower, chainsaws. The weed whacker is going on 20 yrs and still kicking weeds a$$, dirt bike (Husky WR 125) is 30 and been rebuilt (piston & ring) only once. If I were to bet good money I'd say Sthil Ultra would be at the top with the best of them, I've used Klotz for so long its hard to change but I have dabbled with Sthil Ultra and it seems very good but more $ than Klotz.
 
A while ago I had some red-line 2t oil mixed up in jug so I diluted it to 40:1 to put it into the saw, as some time cutting away I noticed the on the top of the muffler was wet with oil. High flashpoint.

The bad part about redline is that it has poor corrosion resistance properties, so you have to fog it before you put it away. That’s right it’s so bad that you get a rusty bottom end. But that’s not what the oil was designed for. It’s for race engines that get torn down on a regular basis. It’s super clean, and intended for high rpm applications under high stress. Oh and it stinks.

Normally I run Stihl premium mixed at 40:1 with shell 91 non-alcholic.

Bah. That's just parroted internet hogwash. I've been running Redline 2-Stroke Racing Synthetic in dozens of engines for going on three decades. I live in a humid climate and store my equipment in an unheated shop/garage.................and I've NEVER had any 'bottom end' corrosion issues. Same with many friends in the area that I've raced and ridden with. Whenever I've torn down an engine ran on Redline (even one that's been stored for YEARS without being ran), the bearings, piston, cylinder walls, and rings ALWAYS have a light coating of oil...........and NO corrosion. The exhaust does have an eye burnin' quality to it though (and that's the only reason why I may switch away from it to H1R). When mixed with race gas or AvGas, I wouldn't say it stinks however.:cheers:
 
Nothing but 91 octane non-ethanol and Stihl Ultra. Reviewed a test done by VA Beach comparing oils, they ran BR 500 blowers for a 1000 hours on differnt mixes, and did a tear down, the blower that ran Ultra had negligible wear, still had the hatch marks, very,very little carbon others had different degrees of wear and carbon build up. The Ultra has 20% more lubricicty than Stihl orange bottle, 40% more carbon removing detergents and has a inhibitor than protects you carbs brass and copper internals from the water and alcohol in todays gas. Sure it cost a little more and there are other good mixes out there, but with Stihl doubling the warranty on any unit that get's purchased with a six pack of Ultra is convincing, blowers go to four years, saws to two. Got to be good oil.

yep. I have pics of the pistons from that somewhere. It convinced me to use synthetic at least, and the fact that ultra is easy to get locally because of Stihl's dealer network in rural areas means it's easy to find.

All the fancy named stuff you guys talk about, I've never even seen a bottle of any of it. Motul, Belray, Klotz, even Amsoil. I ain't never seen a bottle of any of that stuff anywhere. Local availability is echo oil, stihl oils, and some blue crap at the local hardware that comes in big jugs. So, I use the Stihl ultra. I'm too tired to go internet shopping for fruity smellin fancy oil
 
Oil technology, just like chainsaw technology, continues to evolve. Otherwise we would still be cutting down trees with fifty pound chainsaws running on 30W non detergent oil at 16:1 ratio.

I now have 7 chainsaws, as well as a number of other 2 stroke pieces of equipment. I did my due diligence and read up as much as possible before I went and bought these pieces of equipment.

I wanted to do my due diligence before I decided what oil I wanted to use in all my equipment.

In the past several months I have read hundreds, if not thousands of threads on oil. Here, on BITOG, and on various motorcycle forums. If I might sound insane this was the cause of it. Oil threads can take on a religious fervor. However, pearls of wisdom can be extracted from the endless howling. Peer reviewed technical papers and scientific testing can point you in certain directions. Racers pushing the outer limits can point you in certain directions. People working on 2 cycle engines regularly can make observations and point you in certain directions. In the end I made certain inferences as to what will serve MY purposes, and I emphasize MY purposes. If my inferences don't serves your purposes, move on. My intent is to make my saws work as efficiently as possible for as long as possible.

30W non detergent motor oil was used initially because it was what was available. Bright stock was utilized and more effective add packages were developed. 2 cycle mineral based oils evolved to the point where they performed very well. However, at this point in time nothing can convince me not to use full synthetic oils. Synthetics can be finely tune to the performance levels at hand.

Chainsaws are a marvel of modern engineering. Working chainsaws, as opposed to racing saws, have relatively mild performance as compared to the hyper performance race machines that run on exotic fuels at stratospheric speeds. Working saws are used every day and are only broken down when they need work. Racing machines are expected to produce maximum output for the length of a race and are then torn down and rebuilt. I can't see myself cutting wood all day and then spending every night rebuilding my saw. That is why I believe using the ultra high end racing oils in working chain saws may be counter productive.

Water cooled outboard engines run at lower ring temperatures and use oil tuned for that purpose. Air cooled working chainsaws run at higher ring temperatures and need add packages that are tuned to that purpose. Racing machines run at the razors edge and need the absolute highest performance oils. That is where the problem lies. I believe that the combustion temperature of the ultra racing oils that are designed to run in racing machines that spin at 23,000 RPM are too high for a chainsaw that is mildly tuned and spins at 13,000 RPM.

I have 4 liters of Motul 800 2t Off Road, 4 liters of Motul 710 2t, 1 liter of Maxima K2, and 1 liter of Bel-Ray H1R.

The RC test confirmed some beliefs I hold in regards to oil. What I can't got my head wrapped around is the fact that H1R used 15% more fuel to produce the same work. I think that H1R is at the point of burning at too high a level to be efficient in mildly tuned saws. I think that a premium ester based oil that burns at a lower level and adds to the combustion efficiency would suit my ultimate purposes.

As it stands now, I believe that either Motul 710 2t or Maxima K2 would be my best option for MY, and I emphasize MY, purposes.

I may get into studying this further or I may simply cut wood for the next 20 years and not give a ****.

As for ratios, from what I can see more oil still provides better ring seal and more power. To a point at the cost of increased consequences. Ultimately I believe I will be running at 32:1 or 40:1 (3% or 2.5%).

These are my opinions. If they contradict your opinions please don't take it as a challenge. Do what you want.

RonL

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I use Ultra or Lucas semi-syn in 94 Ethanol-free unless I can pick up some Ether-Based star fluid when me and Al Sharpton go to space. I shoot for 2.31% but sometime you can't wait for it to drip out the bottle.
 
I've been running 93 non-e with Belray H1R @ 40:1. It burns really clean and seems to be protecting the engines pretty good.

I used to run Klotz Super Techniplate but it burns very dirty. Seems to protect good though.

I've been thinking about trying either Mobil mx2T or Maxima K2. Especially the Mobil 2T. I have talked to a few guys that swear by it in the Snowmobile game that have been running it for years.
 
I am glad I read you were using in snowmobiles. If I burned 30 gallons of premix through a chainsaw in a weekend even with a group of guys we would have enough wood to build the Ark all over again.

easy to do with a couple of 660 :haha:
 
93 sunoco @32:1. 3.5oz of penzoil marine syn and .5oz of Elf HTX...nothing like the smell of 32:1 in the morning! i know i know TWC oil OMG! thats ok the more you guys hate it the cheaper it stays for me :hmm3grin2orange: and not a single spec of carbon in my cylinders...
 
I use 87 non-ethanol gas mixed with 4oz of Belray H1R and 2oz of 108 Octane Boost per gallon.

Wrong.

I use the 87 because I figure it's fresher than the 91 that no one buys.

Wrong.

The octane boost came about because I build saws with well over 200psi pretty regularly. One saw in particular (Rolltide's 395XP) wanted to run on after a long cut when shut off. The octane boost stopped that issue.

Wrong

The 32:1 ratio is because 4oz per gallon is simple......real simple. That and the extra oil makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

Yeah, that is the good stuff, WRONG.


I started using H1R after someone posted a link to a RC site oil comparison (you think us chainsaw heads are freaky check out those guys).

So.....what do you use and why?

PIE, and stuffs.

Wrong.

Pie, UNICORNS and stuffs. Don't make her get the hose.
 
geez use what oil you like and the gas you like people shouldn't be narrow minded about other peoples choices and opinions :dizzy:
 
25:1-32:1. Real fuel, No ethanol ****. 95 octane (OZ rated) Stihl or Husky 2 stroke oil.
 
Couldn't Take It Any More

Countless hours spent reading oil threads, MSDS sheets, and reports of airplane propellers spinning at 6000 RPM pushed to the point of suicide.

I sat here with a 16 ounce goblet of castor oil.

I made my peace and drank it.

Didn't work.

It did cure my irregularity.

At that ratio I was able to go extremely fast.


With that the wife and I are going up to the mountain to winterize the equipment.

RonL
 
Furthermore

32:1 ( 3% ) vs 50:1 ( 2% ).

Thousands of posts regarding a 1% difference.

This matter has got to be settled once and for all so that the world can move on to the question of flippy caps.

RonL

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Anyone here use a product called Ethanol Shield? I heard Startron is basically kerosene and should not be used. A local gas station sells E-free gas but it's 91 octane and who knows how long its been sitting there?

I am in upstate NY also. There is nowhere in NY around me that sells non-ethanol. I am on the MA border...nowhere in MA either. I tried some SEF 40:1 in my new Dolmar. Seems nice, smells like the racing fuel at Lime Rock. Very expensive, but I'll use it in my new saw for a while (I dont cut that much) For years I always used pump gas at 50:1 or 32:1 depending on machine, and never had any problems. Empty the carb when done, and fill it up next time. And this crap of storing fuel for no longer than a month....REALLY??? If that is the case, I might as well stick to the $7 qts. of the SEF. My $.02
 

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