not fair

[oldirty]

Hey, nice pick OD. Looks to be a money cut from here, lol.

it was nails. it was. i wanna say 8 picks for 5k on the job. lol.

3 pines in the back yard and that oak in the pics and a baby oak next to it came out as well.

 

[treeslayer]

it was nails. it was. i wanna say 8 picks for 5k on the job. lol.

3 pines in the back yard and that oak in the pics and a baby oak next to it came out as well.

Gotta get $5000 when ya roll a new crane, big chipper and all them toys to a job.

 

[tree MDS]

Gotta get $5000 when ya roll a new crane, big chipper and all them toys to a job.

You have to respect anyone that can keep that gig running, thats for sure.

To actually be in the position to say you need all that stuff to keep up with the workload...wow!

Feeding oldirty woodchips gotta be a full time job.

I dont know if I'd ever want to be that big personally. Maybe if I had a salesman and a secretary and I could just work on the crew. I suppose when its time for all that stuff it just feels right though. my equipment list has grown in the past years though, so I guess its all relative. Who knows what (if I'm still alive) I'll be up to in another 20 years.

 

[Blakesmaster]

You have to respect anyone that can keep that gig running, thats for sure.

To actually be in the position to say you need all that stuff to keep up with the workload...wow!

Feeding oldirty woodchips gotta be a full time job.

I dont know if I'd ever want to be that big personally. Maybe if I had a salesman and a secretary and I could just work on the crew. I suppose when its time for all that stuff it just feels right though. my equipment list has grown in the past years though, so I guess its all relative. Who knows what (if I'm still alive) I'll be up to in another 20 years.

I'd never want to be that big, I couldn't imagine the paperwork that owner must do. I get frustrated and overwhelmed trying to keep my little operation's I's dotted and T's crossed from time to time. Makes me wish I had taken a few years to get out the area and work for the big boys before I started settin' roots. I don't care who you are, that #### looks like FUN. But like you said, MDS, who knows where I'll be in 20.

 

[tree MDS]

I'd never want to be that big, I couldn't imagine the paperwork that owner must do. I get frustrated and overwhelmed trying to keep my little operation's I's dotted and T's crossed from time to time. Makes me wish I had taken a few years to get out the area and work for the big boys before I started settin' roots. I don't care who you are, that #### looks like FUN. But like you said, MDS, who knows where I'll be in 20.

+ 1 there blakes.

 

[ForTheArborist]

its not fair to the competition when this big fella and i get together.

almost a joke how easy tree work can be given the right tools.

go up set 2 slings and make the cut. 10k lbs goes to the grapple chipper and i get ready for the butt pick.

lol. really it shouldnt be funny but how you gonna compete with this?

Well, when only a quarter of the cost for that job goes to the livings that the workers are trying to make with trees, it's not hard for anyone else to say they will do the job for half the price. Then call it competition.

No huge loans to pay, and workers earn a living even yet. The machines never make nearly as much of a demand for a cut of the pay when there aren't giant cranes and elite, industrial chippers on the "machine roster" for the company.

Just my 2 cents down.

 

[oldirty]

i wanna say 8 picks for 5k on the job. lol.

guesstimate. dont know what they got for it but i am usually close with the guess, so take that with a grain of salt.

You have to respect anyone that can keep that gig running, thats for sure.

To actually be in the position to say you need all that stuff to keep up with the workload...wow!

Feeding oldirty woodchips gotta be a full time job.

I dont know if I'd ever want to be that big personally. Maybe if I had a salesman and a secretary and I could just work on the crew. I suppose when its time for all that stuff it just feels right though. my equipment list has grown in the past years though, so I guess its all relative. Who knows what (if I'm still alive) I'll be up to in another 20 years.

all i know is that i love working for this guy. a working mans man if you will. dead honest, fair, and willing. cant ask for much more from a boss than that. you dont have to guess to see where you stand, you'll know. and on top of that some of the gigs we land are just plain cool. its great. i found a home.

and yes i do love working that OT baby.

I'd never want to be that big, I couldn't imagine the paperwork that owner must do. I get frustrated and overwhelmed trying to keep my little operation's I's dotted and T's crossed from time to time. Makes me wish I had taken a few years to get out the area and work for the big boys before I started settin' roots. I don't care who you are, that #### looks like FUN. But like you said, MDS, who knows where I'll be in 20.

i thought about owning my own gig or getting started on the side but its the whole other side of the game that scares me away. the paper side. that side is rough on a brother. keeping that ship afloat as you bleed money everyday because something is always going to be needing some sort of attention. finding guys. guys that actually want to be there. phone calls. people. bidding. this list goes on.

as far as i am concerned i am getting the money i asked for and if i bang out a buzzie here and there (which is encouraged as long as you dont step on company time with your effort) to add to the cash flow then i dont really feel the need to take on that animal. i will, happily, take the work order in the morning thank you very much.

and blakes. i highly recommend traveling before you get too "old". its pretty crazy out there when you are not in your own element. i was gonna see if you wanted to come out here to work if we needed anyone too. oh well.

 

[oldirty]

Well, when only a quarter of the cost for that job goes to the livings that the workers are trying to make with trees, it's not hard for anyone else to say they will do the job for half the price. Then call it competition.

No huge loans to pay, and workers earn a living even yet. The machines never make nearly as much of a demand for a cut of the pay when there aren't giant cranes and elite, industrial chippers on the "machine roster" for the company.

Just my 2 cents down.

yeah boy. talk that ####. lol

i dont work for chump change bud. i'm pretty damn sure the guys are taken care of here at this company. no one leaves once they sign on, unless they get let go for lack of performance of course.

and i can guarantee we not rolling up to your house at half price either.

and yes our smallest chipper is the vermeer 1800. with a winch of course. lol.

stay safe.

 

[ASD]

Well, when only a quarter of the cost for that job goes to the livings that the workers are trying to make with trees, it's not hard for anyone else to say they will do the job for half the price. Then call it competition.

No huge loans to pay, and workers earn a living even yet. The machines never make nearly as much of a demand for a cut of the pay when there aren't giant cranes and elite, industrial chippers on the "machine roster" for the company.

Just my 2 cents down.

:bang::bang: You go have fun doing tree work with an ax. I will keep doing it with toys and making real $$$$$$$$$$ for me and my people and we all get paid real good and do not go home with sore backs

 

[ForTheArborist]

I know, actually that is the fkin' way to do this work. No really.

I just know if I had those machines, I better be centralized in one of about five regions, the only major cities in the US. Where people are so rich they think a thousand dollar check is like a twenty dollar bill.

They ask you how much. You say $20,000, and that you'll have 'er done in an hour or less or the bill gets bigger. I'm sure they come back with, "Do you want cash or check?"

Throw the combination code brief case in the pile with the rest of those things, and away you go to the next job the very same day. Plain and easy just like champions :spam::spam::spam:

HTH did you guys get the credit line for machines like that after all? A lot of years in the biz is my guess.

 

[outofmytree]

i thought about owning my own gig or getting started on the side but its the whole other side of the game that scares me away. the paper side. that side is rough on a brother. keeping that ship afloat as you bleed money everyday because something is always going to be needing some sort of attention. finding guys. guys that actually want to be there. phone calls. people. bidding. this list goes on.

Sigh. Your nightmare is my reality. Seriously the ownership thing is a lot of fun but the paperwork?!?! Argh. Gimme a tree that the other guy said couldnt be done and I'm in hog heaven. If only the books would do themselves....

 

[ASD]

I know, actually that is the fkin' way to do this work. No really.

I just know if I had those machines, I better be centralized in one of about five regions, the only major cities in the US. Where people are so rich they think a thousand dollar check is like a twenty dollar bill.

They ask you how much. You say $20,000, and that you'll have 'er done in an hour or less or the bill gets bigger. I'm sure they come back with, "Do you want cash or check?"

Throw the combination code brief case in the pile with the rest of those things, and away you go to the next job the very same day. Plain and easy just like champions :spam::spam::spam:

HTH did you guys get the credit line for machines like that after all? A lot of years in the biz is my guess.

You are missing it!!!

A tree CO with all the toys dose not get more $$ for a job then the 5 guys working out of a small truck doing it by hand would. But the 5 guys will spend 5 days doing a $10k removal and with the toys it's a 1 day gig so the extra $40k the CO with the toys makes that week more then pays for the equipment and extra overhead it's got.

 

[ageniusforhire]

toys

I know people with that size equipment can walk all over my price on a big job.My only saving grace is some people dont want that stuff on the grass, if it cant be reached from the road or driveway. And some customers would rather pay more to have it toted out around the house, than flown right over the roof.Those big toys are nice,though, if your customer base will support them.

 

[ASD]

I know people with that size equipment can walk all over my price on a big job.My only saving grace is some people dont want that stuff on the grass, if it cant be reached from the road or driveway. And some customers would rather pay more to have it toted out around the house, than flown right over the roof.Those big toys are nice,though, if your customer base will support them.

Don't get me wrong we do the little jobs to and you are right some jobs have to be done with good old man power to be cost effective

 

[ForTheArborist]

You are missing it!!!

A tree CO with all the toys dose not get more $$ for a job then the 5 guys working out of a small truck doing it by hand would. But the 5 guys will spend 5 days doing a $10k removal and with the toys it's a 1 day gig so the extra $40k the CO with the toys makes that week more then pays for the equipment and extra overhead it's got.

Of course that money pays for the equipment. I would make as low of payments on the equipment as possible, and sell the things for a good piece of the money back down the road some day. Or just give the payments to someone else.

Really though if you and your crew have the machines, and you have all of the high dollar customers that you need that just want things done in a snap, those machines are OK. That is just one thing more to sell is the speed of service, and that is something they will pay for only in certain areas. Somebody is going to find that niche, and make a living there just like the guys and a truck find that niche and make one there too.

I'll tell ya though, I bet the guys with the best machines are not ever as soar, never get bored with the same job because they go by so fast, and still get a good rate for pressing buttons and tieing ropes.

 

[Toddppm]

I know, actually that is the fkin' way to do this work. No really.

I just know if I had those machines, I better be centralized in one of about five regions, the only major cities in the US. Where people are so rich they think a thousand dollar check is like a twenty dollar bill.

You're in SanDiego? Doesn't get much better than that for a rich area? What else do you want?


Where's the troll smiley?:spam:

 

[ForTheArborist]

You're in SanDiego? Doesn't get much better than that for a rich area? What else do you want?


Where's the troll smiley?:spam:

I suppose so, but you still have to be a tycoon to make substantial head way where ever you are. If you can't rip money with bills for machines like that,...talk about dropping the 450lb from the bench press on the gullet. Choke, choke. There may be steady business for machines like that here, but if you aren't good at realing in those payers, there's no use trying to put up machines like that here or Dubai (richest city in world).

Another thing is that the cost of it all is high here. I think there are secret taxes in the food and housing etc for warm air all year round and rainless/cloudless summers. Maybe:monkey:

 

[TheLumberJack]

Dubai (richest city in world).

...most treeless city in the world!

 

[ForTheArborist]

...most treeless city in the world!

What? Oh yeah

 

[treeclimber101]

I suppose so, but you still have to be a tycoon to make substantial head way where ever you are. If you can't rip money with bills for machines like that,...talk about dropping the 450lb from the bench press on the gullet. Choke, choke. There may be steady business for machines like that here, but if you aren't good at realing in those payers, there's no use trying to put up machines like that here or Dubai (richest city in world).

Another thing is that the cost of it all is high here. I think there are secret taxes in the food and housing etc for warm air all year round and rainless/cloudless summers. Maybe:monkey:

Yea know half the time I don't know what the :censored: you are saying , lol . I only have one question for you when you wake up in the morning do you understand your purpose here on earth or are you just taking it as it comes ??