With. They typically don't have any brand war BS, just real facts about a particular make. Most of the guys that know anything stick to those threads anyway.
Its nice having them there because you don't get 30 emails a day saying there was a post in such an such thread because you don't have to subscribe to them...they are right there and easy to find.
W/o them there I find myself just starting new threads cause i dont wanna search for the brand specific thread.
Gary's oil thread should be a sticky to