MS 241?
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You've confirmed what I've been hearing.
Are most dealers upfront about all of this, or do they tend to play it down some? I've never had a dealer come out and tell me to bring a saw back if I'm not happy with it.
I know that we don't use it as a selling point. Most folks know exactly what they want and are happy to get that saw. The two I returned were both MS180's, neither actually were used and were returned the next day. Both guys bought bigger saws.
KG441c
Keith
When my 441c was having hot start issues the dealer worked on it for 2 weeks and said he couldnt find anything wrong with it and said he was gonna replace the carb. He replaced and it still was not wanting to start when it was hot so he was gonna replace some more parts . Same thing again and no go on the hot start. After about a month he still couldnt find anything wrong so I told him Id just call Stihl and tell them I wasnt satisfied and wanted full credit toward a 461r. He said dont worry about calling them Ill have u a new 461r tomorrow and just come pick it up and pay the difference. I still dont know the outcome of the 441c though
zemmo
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They just changed the weight spec on the stihlusa website, losing weight, down to 9.9 lbs now. Heh.
7sleeper
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Haven't finished the thread yet but the cat alone weighs about 0.2kg (0.44lbs)PS-421
Displacement
42.4 cc (2.5 cu. in)
Power rating
2.2 kW (2.9 HP)
Net weight
4.9 kg (10.8 lbs)
MS 241 C-M42.6 cc (2.6 cu. in.) 2.3 kW (3.1 bhp) 4.5 kg (9.9 Ibs.)
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tallguys
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So the little bugger is actually 10 lbs and 8.6 oz, making it 10.54 lbs. Good to know that even the Canadian website spec is a wee bit conservative.
That is sweet! would you mind a photo with the cover off? I would like to see the air filter etc. if you can post a few pix. Your Dad will be happy and proud!!!Look what followed me home today.
I wonder if he would notice if I test it out first?
Sorry, I already wrapped it. Or I would be out testing it. You have to break in the carb with a few cuts right?
LOL
Now that is some fine art!
Brads video's definitely influenced this purchase
That saw will last the op's father a long time with parts availibility the same. lf we go by Stihl's track recored on parts the op 'should' be able to do a rebuild in twenty plus years with oem parts which is good piece of mind.
7sleeper
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I definately don't see it so optimistic! 20 years equates to about 3-4 generations of new products! Do you really want to be working with a saw that is twenty years old? If we look here at this forum, not a single pro wants to work with a saw 5 years old! The firewooder guys have equipment maybe 10 years old and the hobby guys they can get cheap brand new stuff like the 5020 and be happy the rest of their life!
The reason we see a rebuild nowadays on a 20 year old saw is simply the reason because cheap aftermarket parts are available. No one in his sensible mind would go and buy an original Stihl topend for a 026/260 today! The reason we have today those cheap aftermarket products is because they mainly come all from china. I seriously doubt china will be producing cheap aftermarket products in 20 years. Which country will take it's place? I donot know. But I seriously doubt that such a market like china will evolve again anytime soon.
Further the advances in electronics is so fast, so as soon as the electronic ignition fails and the supply is dried up, I doubt there will be anyone supplying "old fashioned" electronics anymore for a very small market!
And everyone is already hoping for fuel injection introduction as a future evolutionary step, so as soon as that hits the market, spare parts will be available for the govermental required years and after that good luck! And better battery power is also only around the corner.
If we take into consideration how fast the "el cheapo" brands are evolving in quality, then we will see the change over to a throw away product, like f.e. in the consumer electronics, soon. Products are constantly becomming cheaper and cheaper in build quality to satisfy the price point and consumers are running faster and faster after the "best price" so also here we will see a change.
I would not count on rebuilding in twenty years. Who rebuilds their 20 year old car, TV, computer,...?
Come on guys stop being romantic and more realistic!
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The reason we see a rebuild nowadays on a 20 year old saw is simply the reason because cheap aftermarket parts are available. No one in his sensible mind would go and buy an original Stihl topend for a 026/260 today! The reason we have today those cheap aftermarket products is because they mainly come all from china. I seriously doubt china will be producing cheap aftermarket products in 20 years. Which country will take it's place? I donot know. But I seriously doubt that such a market like china will evolve again anytime soon.
Further the advances in electronics is so fast, so as soon as the electronic ignition fails and the supply is dried up, I doubt there will be anyone supplying "old fashioned" electronics anymore for a very small market!
And everyone is already hoping for fuel injection introduction as a future evolutionary step, so as soon as that hits the market, spare parts will be available for the govermental required years and after that good luck! And better battery power is also only around the corner.
If we take into consideration how fast the "el cheapo" brands are evolving in quality, then we will see the change over to a throw away product, like f.e. in the consumer electronics, soon. Products are constantly becomming cheaper and cheaper in build quality to satisfy the price point and consumers are running faster and faster after the "best price" so also here we will see a change.
I would not count on rebuilding in twenty years. Who rebuilds their 20 year old car, TV, computer,...?
Come on guys stop being romantic and more realistic!
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XSKIER
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Hey! I resemble that remark! Not so much on chainsaws, but right now I'm rebuilding a '95 chevy, and a '97 Mariah boat. I'm doing it so they can be setup exactly as I want them. If a 20 year old saw had flippy caps, I'd probably rebuild it too. However, the caps on old 0 series saws are not easily upgraded.
You almost sent me off on a rant. Then, I saw you are from across the pond. Things are done a little differently here in the USA. A certain segment of our population has higher expectations when it comes to longevity of our tools. The rest buy Wild-Things at the same store where they buy potato chips and cigarettes. I have NEVER been satisfied with a made in China product, and frankly, don't like having them jammed down our throat by a bunch of cheapskates that wouldn't know QC if it bit them in the ass.
Mastermind
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Repped.
And........some of us are "thrifty". We'd rather rehab a 20 year old saw......than to buy a new one.
KG441c
Keith
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Ported 66/272xp hybrid
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Ported 036
I personally like redoing old saws!!
Not only across the pond, but in Austria, no less. For an Austrian, he's relatively tame for grumpiness.
This professional has a 2 year old and a 20 year old saw. I'm mostly OK with it.
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