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Somebody's talking crap here & it ain't the tree!
You trying to tell us all your 'forearm pump' is from dirt bikes?
Only in my left arm
You trying to tell us all your 'forearm pump' is from dirt bikes?
No cost to you. It's directly from my Stihl dealer handbook. I've use it a couple times this year and I've been compensated for my trouble. I am not under the impression that it is a Stihl Northwest only type of deal, I think it's nationwide.
I know that we don't use it as a selling point. Most folks know exactly what they want and are happy to get that saw. The two I returned were both MS180's, neither actually were used and were returned the next day. Both guys bought bigger saws.You've confirmed what I've been hearing.
Are most dealers upfront about all of this, or do they tend to play it down some? I've never had a dealer come out and tell me to bring a saw back if I'm not happy with it.
They just changed the weight spec on the stihlusa website, losing weight, down to 9.9 lbs now. Heh.
Funny but the Stihl Canada website claims 2.2kW and 4.7kg (10.41lbs).
Assuming the US website is correct on the power, the extra money buys you 1kw (1.341bhp) over the Dolmar and saves 200g.
Obviously mtronic is the variable.
Haven't finished the thread yet but the cat alone weighs about 0.2kg (0.44lbs)PS-421
Displacement
42.4 cc (2.5 cu. in)
Power rating
2.2 kW (2.9 HP)
Net weight
4.9 kg (10.8 lbs)
MS 241 C-M42.6 cc (2.6 cu. in.) 2.3 kW (3.1 bhp) 4.5 kg (9.9 Ibs.)
That is sweet! would you mind a photo with the cover off? I would like to see the air filter etc. if you can post a few pix. Your Dad will be happy and proud!!!
That is sweet! would you mind a photo with the cover off? I would like to see the air filter etc. if you can post a few pix. Your Dad will be happy and proud!!!
Now that is some fine art!
Now that is some fine art!
You almost sent me off on a rant. Then, I saw you are from across the pond. Things are done a little differently here in the USA. A certain segment of our population has higher expectations when it comes to longevity of our tools. The rest buy Wild-Things at the same store where they buy potato chips and cigarettes. I have NEVER been satisfied with a made in China product, and frankly, don't like having them jammed down our throat by a bunch of cheapskates that wouldn't know QC if it bit them in the ass.I definately don't see it so optimistic! 20 years equates to about 3-4 generations of new products! Do you really want to be working with a saw that is twenty years old? If we look here at this forum, not a single pro wants to work with a saw 5 years old! The firewooder guys have equipment maybe 10 years old and the hobby guys they can get cheap brand new stuff like the 5020 and be happy the rest of their life!
The reason we see a rebuild nowadays on a 20 year old saw is simply the reason because cheap aftermarket parts are available. No one in his sensible mind would go and buy an original Stihl topend for a 026/260 today! The reason we have today those cheap aftermarket products is because they mainly come all from china. I seriously doubt china will be producing cheap aftermarket products in 20 years. Which country will take it's place? I donot know. But I seriously doubt that such a market like china will evolve again anytime soon.
Further the advances in electronics is so fast, so as soon as the electronic ignition fails and the supply is dried up, I doubt there will be anyone supplying "old fashioned" electronics anymore for a very small market!
And everyone is already hoping for fuel injection introduction as a future evolutionary step, so as soon as that hits the market, spare parts will be available for the govermental required years and after that good luck! And better battery power is also only around the corner.
If we take into consideration how fast the "el cheapo" brands are evolving in quality, then we will see the change over to a throw away product, like f.e. in the consumer electronics, soon. Products are constantly becomming cheaper and cheaper in build quality to satisfy the price point and consumers are running faster and faster after the "best price" so also here we will see a change.
I would not count on rebuilding in twenty years. Who rebuilds their 20 year old car, TV, computer,...?
Come on guys stop being romantic and more realistic!
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You almost sent me off on a rant. Then, I saw you are from across the pond. Things are done a little differently here in the USA. A certain segment of our population has higher expectations when it comes to longevity of our tools. The rest buy Wild-Things at the same store where they buy potato chips and cigarettes. I have NEVER been satisfied with a made in China product, and frankly, don't like having them jammed down our throat by a bunch of cheapskates that wouldn't know QC if it bit them in the ass.
Repped.
And........some of us are "thrifty". We'd rather rehab a 20 year old saw......than to buy a new one.
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