I paid $110 shipped for 10 qts of klotz kl-200 original 100% syn. Comes out to what about $44 a gal in hand.
Thats the only klotz I will use with my ethanol 93 gas.
Thats the only klotz I will use with my ethanol 93 gas.
i have been useing stihl dyno oil for over 20 years and my saws are all good inside. i do mix at 32-1.So for yrs people have used reg oil, why the synthetic? Sure, it lubricates better, stays stable, and etc. However I'm buying Belray H1R and running 32:1 in my 660 for milling. I fig I'm spending just over $7 a gallon of oil and fuel and when milling that doesn't last long. Yes I love my saw and want a long life but I can buy Pennzoil air cooled a lot cheaper and have been considering using that. I do mill quite a bit and that's prob why I'm burning a bit of oil. I know I cold use the Sithl oil at say 50:1 but I can find Belray bit cheaper and I think even at 32:1 it's still cheaper. I know if you can't afford a hobby you prob shouldn't do it and some might say why worry about the cost of oil when you've got so much money in a saw and mill.
Very true, but I'm out of oil and have to wait for it to ship in. Also it's going to cost me $25 a qrt which I know isn't a bad price it just adds up. I'm not sure how long my saw will last on pennzoil, but I'm thinking as I'm mechanically inclined that I could have enough money to rebuild the engine if it only lasts half as long with the pennz. Sure I'm out some time and money when that comes, but I'd hope to have the money than. Right now $25 on oil is bit of money for me and a lot of old timers would prob say WTF $25 for a qrt of oil? Yeah lol and than buying the bar oil too at $10 a gallon. So it adds up and my money is bit tight for now as I'm unemployed and not having much luck finding construction jobs around here. Seems like everyone around here is in same boat with economy around here.
So what do you all think? Please don't bash me for sounding like I'm cheap. I'm not, just have to understand right now I mill because it lets me get my mind clear and gives me a more affordable outlet for fun right now.
Engines have been run to their peak and max load by many for yrs and yrs on reg oil. I agree synthetic is better, but 32:1 wouldn't pennz do almost as well? I agree for cars synthetic is good, but for 2 cycle is it justafied?
No, not starting an oil thread here. So no debating on oil brands or ratios needed. Thanks for help guys!
What kind of pennzoil are you talking about? Motor oil?
We built a band saw mill here for milling. Works much better than a chainsaw.
Pete, how much is the Penzoil going to cost you per gallon?
If this is a long-term issue, I'd suggest you keep fuel-efficiency in mind for future saw purchases, and stick to strato engines.
Really can't see blowing useful hydrocarbons right out the pipe, without getting the most out of them. Just saying ...
There's no big bore stratos yet
That was only part of my suggestion. Didn't want to get "pointed" about how some Stihls, like the 660, appear to have established a rep for disposing of fuel (and the oil mixed with it.) Then, there is a strato 441 if that has sufficient power at reasonable rpm. Maybe better yet, one of the big Dolmars or Husqys/Jonnys.
Lots of good reasons to go for a bandsaw, especially if you're doing much milling. (Does anybody use the voluminous sawdust from milling as input to a pellet-mill? That could recover some of the massive fiber waste.)
I hope you dont think I am putting words in your mouth but I am guessing you meant to say help control excessive carbon build up????Marketing has alot to do with what oil people use. When was the last time anyone experinced an 'oil' related failure that can be directly linked to oil quality. Does full synthetic really offer the 'best' overall protection? l think full synthetic only does one thing better.....cabon.
Why would that be? Because synthetic should burn off the same as dino during combustion. Low smoke or carbon reduction has more to do with the additives and a proper carb setting as far as I understood. The only thing synthetic does better is it is more tolerant to higher temperatures, meaning a higher security to moving parts.Marketing has alot to do with what oil people use. When was the last time anyone experinced an 'oil' related failure that can be directly linked to oil quality. Does full synthetic really offer the 'best' overall protection? l think full synthetic only does one thing better.....cabon.
A full synthetic will burn cleaner leaving less deposits. lt is also hydro scopic (attracts moisture) which l don't like. I do agree with your advice on a good fd rated synthetic oil for someone who wants a low maintenance motor being that they don't like cleaning plugs, ports and piston crowns however my preference is a semi synthetic which kinda gives you the best of both worlds. Years ago l used to believe exactly as you do.....until l started to understand two cycle oil and how it has evolved over the years. Simply l believe the negatives of full synthetic oil out way the positives.Why would that be? Because synthetic should burn off the same as dino during combustion. Low smoke or carbon reduction has more to do with the additives and a proper carb setting as far as I understood. The only thing synthetic does better is it is more tolerant to higher temperatures, meaning a higher security to moving parts.
That's what I understood about this topic.
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I love the smell of Klotz in the morning.Klotz is pretty cheap and good stuff also. Just don't get the super techniplate. The original isn't bad for deposits.
A full synthetic will burn cleaner leaving less deposits. lt is also hydro scopic (attracts moisture) which l don't like. I do agree with your advice on a good fd rated synthetic oil for someone who wants a low maintenance motor being that they don't like cleaning plugs, ports and piston crowns however my preference is a semi synthetic which kinda gives you the best of both worlds. Years ago l used to believe exactly as you do.....until l started to understand two cycle oil and how it has evolved over the years. Simply l believe the negatives of full synthetic oil out way the positives.